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Not Going Down Under       started by GraemeT on 13 Feb 2007   (11591)
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From GraemeT

13 Feb 2007 1:37 AM
(52399)
Hi all different kind of Rekkie report as after visiting Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide we have decided NOT to move to Australia. I spent 18 months organising the trip and my company were going to sponsor me it was just a case of what location was best for me and my family. Flew to Sydney with Qantas stopping off at Singapore for 60 mins and arrived fairly refreshed at about 8pm and being six foot five inches tall got an emergency exit seating so could streatch my legs when required. Made our way to our accommodation which was the Medina on the Crown in Surrey Hills which was a 2 bed self contained apartment with outdoor pool and fitness gym which if you went out on your balcony you could see the Sydney Cricket ground. As it was our first night in Sydney wandered around for a hour or so and came across Oxford Street which was buzzing with cricket fans and party people ( i think this area is popular with Gays)to get a feel for the city at night. Did all the touristy thinks like boat trips, zoo, aquarium and not forgetting shopping the few days we were there. Was extremely lucky as we were in Sydney for Australia day. We flew to Brisbane with Virgin Blue and arrived safely at the airport where we got on the train that takes you to either the city or the gold coast at a cost of $13 dollars for a return per person and it took about 30 mins to get to the city. Accomodation this time was at the Medina near Storey Bridge again similar facilities as Sydney but with spectacular views of Brisbane. Got on the local buses for about 10 dollars for a day ticket and visited various suburbs to look at schools, houses,etc. Firstly went North towards Chermside and passed suburbs like Wavell Heights, Aspley, Geebung ,Toowong which looked nice and stopped off at Chermside shopping mall for a few hours. Then on advise from my director went to Ascot and Hamilton areas which he said was a nice place to live (it was if you earned a directors salary as I found the house prices to be very high $750k plus and hardly any rentals). Visited New Farm area, Fortitude Valley, Newstead which we were informed was the up and coming area to live. It would have been ideal if I was single and had no children as it was very trendy with lots of restaurants and bars and new housing developments. I visited this area with a 32 year old single man who had his own company so money was no object for him. At night was invited to a $4.5 million dollar house at Cleveland with its own mooring and boat for a traditional barbeque and we passed many nice suburbs like Carina, Cannon Hill, Holland Park on the way. The guys house I visited at Cleveland was a property developer and he said that there are no real bad suburbs in Brisbane and that if I wanted a good solid suburb to live and invest look at Redcliffe or the Moreton Bay area as there is going to be alot of investment there soon. If you have kids you must get on the city cat to North Beach a haven for Kids to play, man made swimming pools, nature trails etc. Flew to Adelaide next with Qantas and arrived there on a Saturday afternoon just as the main shops were closing and what a disappointment after Sydney and Brisbane. To be honest I could nt say exactly what was wrong I just got this feeling about the place that made me nervous. Were staying at Mercure Grosvener on North Terrace one of the worst weeks I have ever had to endure. Hotel looked nice from outside but on closer inspection carpets were stained, bed covers were ripped, stale smell, paper thin walls and to top it all there was a 24 hour multi storey car park next door. Managed to visit all the tourist things in 2 days. After further investigation was told most people live outside town and travel into the city for work. Most people in the office lived in Suburbs on the coast like Glenelg, Brighton, Henley Beach, West Beach . Other good suburbs were Marion, Unley, Lockley, Fulham a bit closer to city centre. Visited Stirling in Adelaide Hills which was nice but the country living is not for us and was about 45 mins drive for city in peak traffic. Was impressed with Flagstiff Hill and Hallets Cove which are becoming more and more popular with Brits as it is about 20 mins from City and a new build house 4 bed and 2 baths with land costs about $300k and a good choice of schools. Further south was Christies Beach and Aldinga Bay but I thought 1 hour from city was too far. To summarise Sydney was very nice to visit as a tourist but not to live as similar to London, Brisbane was too hot (42 weeks of temp between 25-35, 4 weeks of heatwave 35+ and 4 weeks of cooler weather 15-25) also sun rises at about 530am and goes down about 630pm no clock changes like UK and Adelaide did not impress me initially. If you like working, coming home and going to the beach or having people round for a BBQ then Adelaide has that in abundance and also it is far cheaper to live there than either Brisbane, Sydney, Perth or Melbourne. My personal choice would be Brisbane as it is a vibrant, friendly city with lots of things to do. Recent figures say that 1500 people per week are moving to Brisbane and 500 are leaving every week Unfortuantely my wife is not convinced that Australia has more to offer than Scotland apart from Sunshine as they have many of the issues we have here. In hindsight I dont think that our lifestyle at the moment is that bad and my 2 girls will not miss out on much moving to Australia. I wish everyone who is looking to go to Australia all the best and I will keep an eye on the website to see whats going on. Graeme T
From malcload

To GraemeT

13 Feb 2007 1:46 AM
(52403)
Nice one Graeme, just goes to prove oz isn't for everyone, Maybe if more people did the visit less would return. In saying that, I did the rekkie to perth, liked what i saw and wiil be heading back once that nice man/woman gives me the golden ticket!! good luck malc
From shazpinkcat

To GraemeT

13 Feb 2007 1:47 AM
(52404)
Blimey Graham!! Well what can I say, like you say Oz isnt for everyone, we havnt visited yet, but I do hope we like it. We need to go for our youngest son who has severe asthma in the winter, so I really do hope it is a place we can settle. I wish you all the luck in the world to you and your family. Take care Shaz n Phil
From theBaillies

To GraemeT

13 Feb 2007 12:05 PM
(52463)
Thanks for that Graeme, I liked your report. Although you and your family felt that Australia wasn't for you I was glad to hear that if it were you would have chosen Brisbane. The heat is one of the main attractions for me, I have spent some time in those kind of temperatures and higher before. I really enjoyed it, mind you I do look a kind of blue colour most of the time in Scotland. LOL. Was wondering if your employer would like to sponsor me to go in your place? Anyway nice to hear a balanced point of view and some interesting statistics. Do you know if the 500 people who leave Brisbane per week are Migrants who changed their mind or are some of them Brisbinites who fancy a change? Just out of interest! Thanks again, Eileen x
From laura

To GraemeT

11 Mar 2007 3:47 AM
(55662)
Hi Graeme, Id like to thank you for writing a rekkie, we are off to Adelaide as soon as the house sells, and with your information I think it will be just what we are looking for, it's nice to have the info on schools and suburbs also. Im sorry it wasnt for you, but i bet that your trip saved you from a lot of problems and heartache. Good on you for trying. Laura
From tabitha

To GraemeT

11 Mar 2007 4:05 AM
(55663)
hi Graeme what an interesting post you had. it makes it all seem real yes i know grasss isnt always greener on the other side? tabitha
From jimboman

To GraemeT

11 Mar 2007 8:15 AM
(55675)
In order to make the big move, you have to have a degree of passion. My degree of passion comes from a childhood spent there and a long held desire to return. It is also based on a better future for my children, one which I am sure that the UK can never offer. I feel from your report, that you were looking at your way of life here compared to there and did not see an immediate benefit. I will arrive jobless, with no sponsor. I will have paid for my own removals and will pay for my own taxi to the hotel that I have paid for for our first nights stay. I will not be given a guided tour of the eastern cities, with barbies at every turn. I will not be choosing which suits me best. We will not see a gain in our standard of living either. We will earn less, know nobody, miss our families and complain about the heat. We will not be doing it for our benefit though. My kids will grow up in Australia. They will not wish that their parents had given them the chance to grow up there. They will grow up there. JIM
From rooster245

To jimboman

27 Aug 2007 1:48 AM
(73085)
I'm an ossie who lurks these forums to give the occasional bit of help. I think Graeme T should be appreciated for his honest comments. Oz is not for everyone. I'd like to add that his data on temperatures while accurate don't give the full picture as the humidity for 2 - 3 months of the year in Brisbane is unbearable for those not acclimatised. Melbourne can be very hot at Xmas but it's a dry heat - still not much fun. For info I live in Melbourne but spent 30 years in Brisbane and 5 in Sydney.
From Boot

To jimboman

27 Aug 2007 11:29 AM
(73106)
I do agree that, for children, Aus is a magical place for kids to grow up and it is great to get that passport so that successive generations of your family always have that option in this uncertain world of ours. However, I am quite prepared for the fact that one or both of our kids may well choose to go back to Europe or the States after school or uni (or even go to uni in the UK) but we will tackle that one when we get to it. It's just that, at different stages of one's life, different places can be more enjoyable than others and like you, Jim, I happen to believe that Oz offers more to little ones than growing up in England, so that's where we as a family are right now. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO THE UK LATER! But yes, what a helpful and insightful piece of writing from Graeme, with loads of useful info for A-movers - so thanks Graeme. Thought you'd arrived already Jim? How's it all going? Rgds boot (Perth)
From nikkiandlee

To laura

27 Aug 2007 9:44 PM
(73136)
HI Laura, All going well we are off to Adelaide!! The suburbs mentioned have been mentioned a number of times as good areas! However opinions are all different. How far along are you? We are only just starting the process hoping to get to Aus October/November next year! Thanks Graeme for your honest post, I bet your glad you discovered now that Aus isn't for you? (before spending all that money on moving and giving up your current home!) Its good to read all views and opinions to keep all our feet on the ground! :) All the very best for your future Regards Nikki X
From Ljenks

To rooster245

27 Aug 2007 10:21 PM
(73140)
Hi I think your comment about the humidity is spot on. I always tell people to arrive after the humid period so that they have 9 months to adjust to the heat. I'd also give the same advice to people going to Perth. The mid 40s is also very unpleasant unless you're by the coast. I loved Melbourne - it is such a beautiful city.
From laura

To nikkiandlee

30 Aug 2007 7:06 PM
(73426)
hi all peeps, just a quick mention to anyone going to Adelaide. I have just bought a book by lonely planet on Adelaide and South Australia. I can honestly say that it contains so much knowledge about places to stay, eat and do ect. A really good buy. lauraxxxxxxx
From nikkiandlee

To laura

31 Aug 2007 5:26 AM
(73481)
Hi, Whats the book Called? We are hoping to land in Adelaide!! Thanks Nikki
From laura

To nikkiandlee

31 Aug 2007 7:40 AM
(73492)
hi nicky the book is called Adelaide & south Australia by the lonely planet good luck, its a good educational book love laura