09 May 2007 3:17 PM
things here are very expensive, property has gone mad, lucky i bought 7 months ago.my cost of living has gone up and my working hours increased. in the summer it is too hot to go to the beech for longer than 1 hour at a time. i know poeple come here for the sun but believe me when i say 42 deg is hot!!!!!!to hot to do anything but stay in the aircon house. i am from south africa then moved to london 8 years ago ,, so i can take heat, but the aussie sun is far more intence than the african sun, be warned if you are commong to perth you are in the middle of the desert
09 May 2007 3:34 PM
can understand where you are coming from.
we just passed our 2 yr anniversary living in perth...we are going back to uk/ireland for a holiday in 4 weeks time and after that who knows what will happen.
im swaying towards going back but the problem is my hubby and kids dont want to!!
makes it so much more difficult for me as i dont want to be the one to upset the 3 of them,trust me to be the minority vote eh!!
you are right though the house prices are a joke,cost of living is expensive and its very hard when you when you dont earn a fortune to enjoy your life here....i know there is parks everywhere with free BBQ'S but there is only so many times you can go to the park without getting fed up with it and i personally am sick to death of 'snags and steak' haha.
anyway all in all the last 2 yrs have been ok for us...a few ups and downs but its been a great (sometimes heartbreaking) experience.
dont mean to put anyone off coming just think about it very seriously though...you dont realise just how good life was back home and the grass is not necessarily greener over here (in fact mine is brown and dead from too much sun).
will let you know how things are after our trip back,its make or break time for us...but even if we go back we will definately get our citizenship first so the kids can do what they want when they are older.
all the best mate,will say hi to uk for you when i arrive.
09 May 2007 4:34 PM
|whilst i do agree with you a little bit look at it from the otherside of the coin. when i was in the uk the shoe was on the other foot. there was only so many times i could -
sit in traffic for two hours a day practically with my engine switched off on a motorway,
sit at home/work looking out of window wishing i was somewhere sunny,
go out during the day dressed for winter,
walk down the road in fear of getting attacked or verbally abused,
pay norrendous amount of tax on just about everything,
drive a min 2 hours to a beach to find it raining,
walk around the city feeling i was at a rubbish tip,
watching kids come out of school with more attitude than samuel L jackson
its all horses for courses and people find different reasons for coming or going. though perth is a very dificult place to live in once you have sussed out its quirks and found the work rounds its a very enjoyable place to live but be prepared for a struggle.
oh the dreaded thought of having to go to the park or beach again this weekend. what ever will i do.....
its only the grass on the lawn thats greener in the uk|
09 May 2007 10:13 PM
|I felt like that about Perth and moved to Brisbane. We get 3 months when it's very humid (but not all the time), the house prices are cheaper here, the cost of living is cheaper (our grocery bill is $50 a week cheaper), stamp duty is lower, eating out is cheaper, there are social clubs with free mini buses and it is very family orientated. There is so much to do here. I got fed up with going to bbqs all the time. Over here you can get a return flight to Sydney for less than $200.
The temperature is more constant and it doesn't get so cold during the night. We haven't used any of our heaters we brought with us from Perth (in fact the removal men laughed out loud when they saw how many we had).
I'd advise anyone who is thinking of going back to take a look at Queensland. I felt at home here straight away.
WA is great for some people and Queensland or maybe another state for others. That's the great thing about Australia it's so varied and vast.
I feel like I'm living in the most friendly part of Australia. People talk to you all the time which again helps you to settle.
I suppose this is all part of the up and down process of migrating.|
10 May 2007 8:21 AM
|We've lived in Oz now for just over 6 years and we are lucky if we get to the beach once a year. I am not a beach person. I love the scenery of a quite coastal beach (Esperance is just perfect for me) but cannot stand crowds and sitting around doing nothing.. I hated the whole concept of European beach holidays for that whole reason.
Yes Australia is surrounded by 1000s of kilometres of glorious beaches and coastline but it doesn't mean that it is all there is to do here. Britian has some spectacular coastline doesn't mean that everyone goes and visits it every weekend. It has great theatre - no one where I lived in the UK ever went to London to the west end, however here in Australia, the dream is that you go to the west end as that's what the Brit's do on a regular basis. Go to Bondi Beach and guaranteed that the majority of beachgoers are from overseas thinking that they are doing what Australians do.. However, there aren't many Aussies at Bondi... Also, when I was younger nobody (other than the religious surfers and skin burners) would go to the beach in the middle of the day. Sand's too hot and it's just skin cancer waiting to happen. Before 10 am and after 4pm it would be busy.
Australia is stereotyped by the blonde hair surfy beach image. Yes if that's the life you are after, it is available. You can join the local surf lifesaving club and become involved that way. It is a HUGE country, there's plenty to do away from the coastline, it just takes time to find it and to settle in to doing it. The beach is NOT everything! Australia has spectacular bush, hikes, camping, rivers for canoeing, you can do other coastal activities which don't involve lying around such as sailing.
Yes 40+ degrees are horrendous.. At least though it usually only lasts for a week and at least you can get in the air conditioned car and go to the aircon shops, cinema etc. You can go to the pool/beach first thing in the morning or last thing at night to cool down. I lost count of hte times we were snowed in at either my in-laws or relatives houses in the UK. No access to shops for food, no post etc. There was nothing to do but stay in a house with heating on all day, with the taps running so the pipes didn't freeze. Waiting for the stupid council to grit the roads and refill the boxes at the end of the street because they weren't prepared for it to snow in winter..
As other people have written, this is one big country. The biggest thing that I would say to people is look at the place you grew up/live in the UK. If you grew up in a rural area and the idea of living in London or even a small town would freak you out, then don't move to suburbia or a big city.. If you are from inner city love shopping, nightlife, cafes, dinners out etc then choosing a small city and living on the edge of suburbia will only drag you down, no matter how good the beaches are.. |
10 May 2007 6:37 PM
|Just reading through these posts(started by bulldog and his 'I might go home') with real interest. I read Janice's words = that could've been me writing it! I dislike Perth, the kids are fine here, but I have to say Dave is very bored of the place now. Like she said, there's only so many barbi's and beaches you can suffer before you just don't want to bother anymore.
Then there was Lisa's post = yes, I'm off for a rekkie over to the Gold Coast and Brissy in July to see if that appears better than here. By better, I mean for us personally, before I start a war with people who love Perth!
Then there was the person, still in Blighty, who reckons they get stuck in traffic jams (try the Mitchell freeway mate!) fears for his safety walking around (try going to Whitfords on a Thursday night or just hop on a train late at night here!)he pays really high taxes on everything (hellloooo...30% on basic salaries here mate, then there's the ridiculous stamp duty, GST on everything...think again if you're coming here to have a fair tax system!)how he sits looking out of his office window and longs to be somewhere sunny (yes, it's lovely in the spring and autumn here. But it sure ain't funny in the peak summer time! And for me, there's only so much sun you can take before you crave a little bit of weather diversity!). All I'm trying to say is, the grass is NO GREENER here, it's just a different shade that's all (like someone else said...usually a crispy brown colour!).
I have been here for 3 years now and I've seen people come and people go (some under very sad circumstances). Some folks have lasted a year or two, others a couple of months. Then there are the ones who either really enjoy their new lives and have settled wonderfully (and fair play to them I say) and then there are the ones who'd love to go home but can't because it's just too damned expensive to get out of.
I've seen folk, fresh off the plane, throwing themselves onto their towels on the beach to bake their lily-white Blighty flesh, quoting the mantra 'AAHHHH, this is the life!' then after a few months the realisation hits that they cannot get onto the property market, that electricians job that was supposed to pay them a fortune is nowhere to be found (well, it probably is somewhere but hiding under a pile of red tape and paperwork!), the pesky shops are substandard and not on a par with the UK ones, and don't open on a Sunday to boot (oh the nightmare!)the education system is ...well...different shall we say, to the one their little darlings are used to back home, and to top off that lot they realise that they can't afford to be buggering off on lovely holidays to far reaching places because Perth has a really really stupid way of charging you an absolute fortune to get out of it! No bloody wonder most Aussies are not well travelled...they can't afford to be!!!!
10 May 2007 8:36 PM
|There is lots of trade work here. I know I'm a partner in a recruitment firm and we are always looking for tradespeople. I found the lack of places to go in Perth frustrating. Here there are so many places to go you are spoilt for choice. There is lots of alfresco dining in so many of the suburbs. The main point of difference is the suburbs all tend to have a centre. There are shops on the side of the road. The supermarkets are open til 9pm during the week and are open on Saturdays and Sundays. There are lots of social clubs. We joined one. It has a really nice restaurant - an example of prices two meals for $9.99 and they are very family orientated plus (and we didn't believe this at first) they provide free mini-buses to and from the club. There is variety in the landscape. You can go to the Gold Coast which looks like Benidorm - as it's a tourist resort there is heaps to do. Noosa on the Sunshine Coast is more sophisticated. There's Australia zoo, Movieworld, Dreamworld, Wet n Wild, Seaworld, Whitewater world to name but a few and if you live here there are lots of off-peak offers. We live in a bayside area and over the weekends you see families having lunch together, walking along the bayside, riding their bikes. People smile and talk to you. Everyone is so relaxed here. If you get fed up with Brisbane you can fly to Sydney for less than $200 return. We go to a bar in Manly, the owner knows our drinks order and again lots of families go there. Then you have Southbank - a man-made beach in the city. Redcliffe is a very popular suburb - it's north of Brisbane. Then you have the hinterland - green forests (despite the drought). I would say that there is a suburb to suit everyone here in Queensland.
Even regional Queensland has more to do than Perth. I went to Hervey Bay - one of Australia's fastest growing towns and again there was lots of alfresco dining, yacht club, pubs etc. Again everyone was very friendly and you can get a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom property for less than $300k. They're also looking to attract more tradesmen to the area.
The CBD prices for eating out etc are more expensive than the outlying suburbs.
I think Australia is an amazing country and like I said before I think each state has something different to offer. It's really down to individual tastes. There isn't really any right or wrong. I didn't dislike Perth - I've just found somewhere that's more me.
I'd advise anyone thinking of going back and all the hassle that goes with it to take a look at another part of Australia. Properties in Adelaide are a lot cheaper than Perth. Brisbane is cheaper than Perth (or so we've found) - but if you search in Perth there are reasonable properties in older suburbs.
Let me know if you'd like any more info.
11 May 2007 1:22 AM
|yep that was me talking about taxes motorways and the like. just wondering what makes you think i am in blighty. i have been living in perth for some time now so i think im justified to make the comparison. i find the mitchel much better than the m6. whitfords on a thurs no prob theres just lots of kids meeting up for the cinema. go there often. was paying nearer 38% on my wages in uk for tax and rubbish nhs. i do look out my window thankful i am somewhere sunny love the heat and get out everyday to have lunch or read a book in the park.
you sound like a real whinging pomm so why are you still here if you find so many negatives. maybe you came here on the illusion that it was something its not after watching home and away or one of those moving abroad kind of programmes. too many people just want the whole lifestyle to mirror what they had in the uk. life is very different here. as they say if its to hot get out of the kitchen.|
11 May 2007 1:41 PM
|Can I just offer one piece of advice to all newcomers.....don't latch on to the unhappy movers, their negativity rubs off very easily when you're in the middle of such a life changing experience.
Keep positive and go your own way.
11 May 2007 5:17 PM
Come out of the license centre and head towards Lakeside.
At the first set of lights there is a bar on that RH corner.
From here cross the road towards WestPac, turn immediately right up main road.
Last building down there on the left is The Old Bailey.
Turn left there and at bottom of road is a night club.
From night club turn 180 degs (back on yerself) and walk up into the precinct.
There are a few other places to get drinks in there, aswell as an Irish bar (not sure on name) within a few steps of an Italian restaurant I believe.
Hey - a mini pub crawl with food in Joondyloop!!
Who would have thought it in this god forsaken country with nothing to do!!!
11 May 2007 6:48 PM
|Thanks for the support on this one
You know, I think we would have ripped our visa up if Tracy had been in full swing just before we moved out. It's such an emotional part of the whole process and it's very hard to think rationally.
It certainly makes interesting reading for us who're settled but, come on Trace, give the newbies a chance. There's a limit.
Thank goodness, we braved it.
11 May 2007 9:29 PM
|As I've written many a time, we've been here for quite a number of years. Whilst we are not in Perth, moving anywhere new in the world that is different is difficult, even if it is just down the road. In the 6 years there have been incredibly low times and extreme highs. It takes years not months, weeks or days for life to balance itself out and become 'normal' again. To feel like you fit in and belong. It takes effort. It's like the first day of highschool all over again where you don't know anyone and don't know where your classroom is. Zenophobia and stereotypes do not work. Also judging a whole country on one experience, city, suburb or shop does not work. Classing all Australians under one banner such as 'Australians don't wear shoes', 'Australians haven't travelled anywhere' etc is ridiculous and will only hinder the settling process.
We had friends move out to Australia a few months after ourselves. From teh day she arrived my friend was negative. Everything was wrong. Nothing was like the UK. Washing powder wasn't good enough (don't ask me how she tried all the brands in 2 months must wash her clothes a hell of a lot), water tasted different (still wondering about that one), traffic lights took too long, it went on and on. Nothing would please her. She refused to socialise on weekends so that she could speak to her mum (who she did not speak to prior to migrating) and to her cat (yes she phoned the person who she'd given the cat too so she could hear it purr).. Slowly people stopped asking if she wanted to go out (incl. us). She never made an attempt to settle and of course returned to the UK with only negative things to say about Australia. However, I would ask, how much of Australia did she really experience? If you have your eyes closed the whole time you won't get anywhere.
People have been migrating from Europe, Americas etc successfully to Australia for over 200 years. Those who came originally had no choice but to dig in and get on with it.. No 22 hour flights home. If you want it and want it with a positive heart and mind and know that the settling process will not happen overnight, then the journey is a whole lot easier.
Don't let negative comments that are written with Zenophobic and stereotypical undertones ruin your dreams. Australia isn't utopia and does have its bad points (wow!) however if comments are well-balanced and actually have some fact backing them up, it is far easier to make your own judgement call and consider how those points will impact your decision.|
12 May 2007 5:10 AM
|Recently, as we have been telling people we are about to move to Aus (in about six weeks time if all goes to plan), many have responded gushilly as to how lucky we are. 'Those beaches, big houses, barbies and all year round sunshine!!' Plus 'they speak English, eat the same food and have the same Queen.' Many imagine Australia to be a bit like the costas but without the Spanish.
There are huge differences. Many of the things you take for granted in the UK, do not exist there. Other cities within an hour or two's drive do not exist (unless you use the Australian definition of a city which is more than one pub and at least one sealed road).
Australia is both very old and ultra new. Australia is unique. Australia is different. Very often, the people who whine the most about things, whine because they don't like change. If you move from England to Australia, expect change.
If Australia was England with heat and beaches, I would not be going.
12 May 2007 10:44 AM
I have been getting some 'PM' about this thread, although we are entitled to our opinions, not many people have the chance to do this, they are less fortunate, than those that can do it and have the chance, life is not a reahersal it's the real thing, so just go for it, don't hold back, as you will be wondering if only, you only get once shot in life, as I believe fate has a part in this, question yourselves, 'why did we get the visa' you can only judge on your only experiences.
We have had this before on here, nothing put us off, we didn't come with much, but we are loving it and hope to keep on living here, it is a different culture, but we never came here hoping it's 'Little Britain', I want to live the aussie life, this is why we came and to better our childrens quality of living and 'I quote', we did this blind, we never even came out for a rekkie, we just went for it and most people we have spoken to about this, praise us for our bravery even the aussies.
Just remember we are all different!!!
We went to Mandurah last week, down south, for the day and had fish n chips on the harbour listening to a live band and watched a family of dolphins swimm by, now that was magical, you don't see that much in england, we are going back there today, with a couple of friends, hopefully if I can, I will take some pictures for all to see.
Guys chin up, keep at it, don't give up.......
WISHING YOU ALL THE VERY BEST IN YOUR JOURNEY!!!!!!!!
Luv San. xx|
12 May 2007 11:47 AM
|Totally agree with you, babs-andy. It was weird reading that you liken it all to your 1st day at high school. I had only said to my OH this morning that I'd been thinking about the extent to which one of our aussiemover's had gone to spread the negative word. I likened her to a year elevener at high school who hadn't liked it from day one, had at a certain stage decided to stop trying to like it and then decided to prove to the eager littlies in year 8 that it's a waste of time and you haven't got a clue what you're letting yourself in for.
One good thing that we did before moving was to video all the naff things that we didn't like about where we lived in England. It was daft things like mud on the car all the time in winter and radiators draped with wet coats and gloves. You might laugh at this but you'd be amazed how quickly you can forget such simple annoying things. We haven't seen a dirty car since we've lived here (except for the odd ute from the outback or Lancelin) and it's great to be able to walk into the house onto pale cream carpets and they don't get dirty.
Petty, you might think, but believe me, you soon take all these things for granted in Aus after a while and soon forget about the bare, black trees in winter and those horrid foggy days, filthy roads and not being able to get in and out of your car without getting the backs of your trousers filthy from the sludgy sills.
Such things are conveniently forgotten when faced with a touch of homesickness and the wonderous memories of sparkling Christmas trees and Nat King Cole come to the fore.
No wonder we hear of so many boomerang poms.
13 May 2007 4:19 AM
Followed this thread with interest. I also see that, like bulldog, we are South Africans who have been in London for 7 and a half years. Whether its increasing cynicism with age or what, I do believe that the UK today is a far cry from the UK of 2000. It appears that the EU calls the shots, national identity (and therefore pride) are a thing of the past, and political correctness is the overriding principle. I felt incredibly privileged to be granted UK citizenship in 2005 (although at my ceremony I was the only one who spoke English as a first language, made a passable attempt at God Save the Queen, and bothered to wear a suit!). What immediately attracted me to Western Australia (we stayed in Dawesville/Port Bouvard/Mandurah over Easter), was the similarity with South Africa (particularly the coastal areas - I'm from Port Elizabeth originally). Delving a little deeper, I was struck by the Christian approach - over Easter the news readers were talking about Easter and the sacrifice of Jesus (try that on BBC and see what happens!). Also, the police commissioner of WA was on the tv talking about road deaths over Easter (SA has one of the worst records - thousands die on the roads over the weekend). Total death toll (although even 1 is too much) for Australia was 17 and this policeman was advising people to take responsibility for their actions, i.e. you drink too much, takes drugs etc, you'll wind up dead.
Now these may seem like strange things to many of you, but to me it spoke volumes about a country grounded in Christian principles which encourages its citizens, residents and immigrants to be proud of their environment and take individual responsibility for making it (and their own lives!!!) better.
Okay, time to relinquish the soap box (although I'm really pleased to see two SA teams in the Super 14 final!!!).
Have a great weekend one and all.
PS A wise man once told me, 'Regret should only be reserved for the things you've left undone' - so to all those contemplating the move, follow your heart and wherever it leads you, you'll find happiness.|
13 May 2007 9:58 PM
|I have just caught up with this thread, I started reading it days ago and had to keep leaving it to come back later.
At times I have ripped up my draft VISA application, and at times, stuck it back together.
We are going to Devon tomorrow for a holiday - the weather forecast is rain, then rain, then rain, then rain. A bit later in the year we will have 6 weeks of sun (when I will be at work) and we will be on an immediate hosepipe ban.
In the winter it will snow for an hour, and the country will come to a stand still.
I have a good job, with a good salary. I have to work damn hard for it too, which means my children are in nursery. The salary on the top of my pay slip is big, what I actually get after tax isn't. I then have to pay HUGE council tax, similar to the person living in the |
14 May 2007 10:32 AM
|This issue always makes me smile |
14 May 2007 11:52 AM
|Why shouldn't you be proud of where you come from - I served my country and served in Northern Ireland in the early 90's.
The Aboriginal people had there hertigate taken away from them and look what having their background messed with has done to them.
I haven't abandoned my country - who says you have to live your life in one land and dispise where you came from, but I agree that living without or minimal threat of terrorism is a big relief.
I love the beaches and I love the fact my family are closer because of our move and I love that fact that the skies are blue every day, I like Australia but I also like England, I like Canada and I like other countries too so why should I write off where I come from because I moved house.
Is seems to be the norm on Aussie Move that if you don't agree with the crowd you get slated and blamed for all the wrong things and branded a 'Whinging Pom'. I know it's not little Britian I know where I live and I find Perth too quite and isolated you either love it or you don't and it's a big country so why not try other states and cities, Perth is not Australia it's a city in Australia and not for everyone. Ask anyone who has moved interstate and you will find that they have made the right choice for them.
You can't say you didn't move here thinking it was fabulous and the country was without it faults much better then Britian, it has it's faults but life is what you make it and take out of it what you want - if you bring your problems with you they will still be the same problems.
We all move for our own reasons, Australians moan it's too hot, that the shops are shut and have different agruments about daylight saving - if you want freedom of speech and being able to say what you think then why can't you say what you think on this website.
As they say here in Oz I'm over it I'm off to enjoy my life where ever it may take me nothing is set in stone!|
14 May 2007 6:15 PM
|There is no reason not to be proud of were you come from, but I just don|
14 May 2007 11:52 PM
|Yeah Carol & Mike. You're dead right about the Christian bit. In Perth we are not yet so pc that we have given up bedecking our city centre with images of the Madonna and child and having bloody great nativity plays in public in the centre of the city, complete with real camels, kings and Mary and Joseph atop a huge pile of hay. We celebrate Christmas with a pageant through the city centre; we have the annual Blessing of the Fleets at Fremantle; our parish and school are a lovely, spiritual community... and there is pride in Christian values. Anzac Day, Remembrance Sunday and Australia Day are upheld with pride. My kids know the Aussie national anthem because they've sung it so often (at every school assembly, in fact) - but they don't know the Pommy one!
We, too, lived in UK and S Africa and found many similarities here in Oz. I miss quite a few things about the UK like the scenery (mainly because I lived in a pretty place with very upmarket shops rather than a city) but for climate, healthcare and community spirit Australia takes the prize from what we can see. We've been in Perth 4 years. Will we always be in Perth? Dunno. Will we always be in Australia? Dunno. Will the world end next week? Dunno!
Best of luck with your move Down Under,