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SAY IT LIKE IT IS       started by david on 20 May 2007   (13583)
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From Woodcutter

To david

20 May 2007 11:44 PM
(63373)
What I like about Oz: climate, quality of life, new opportunities, friendliness of Australians, the beaches, the fresh meat and vegetables, outdoor lifestyle, money goes further, the space, the sense of national pride, the culture of fair play and mateship, no gangs of aimless teenagers roaming the streets, the sport, people accept you for who you are - not what you are, swimming pool in garden, social life, work, off-roading in the outback and beaches to name but a few........... What I don't like about Oz: the insects, level 5 water restrictions, TV. What I like about the UK: history, countryside, culture, TV What I don't like about the UK: no sense of national identity, politics, crime, taxes, political correctness, teen culture, overpricing, car mentality, north / south divide, football hooligans.........
From jimboman

To Franngav

21 May 2007 5:07 AM
(63390)
For OZ Weather, space, stars at night,fishing and actually catching something,resources,education,national identity,fair go,clear sea,clear sky and optimism. Against OZ. Flies, mossies,blowfish, dead roos by the roadside and whingeing poms. For UK (Devon anyway) Beaches, weather,countryside. Against UK Pessimism,poor spelling,Vicky Pollard,white kids in Devon who say 'innit man' and PC politics.
From Laura_and_Lee

To jimboman

21 May 2007 6:58 AM
(63403)
hi all, well we have only been to oz (perth) for 2 and a half weeks but have worked with kiwi's and ozzie lads on a regular basis for about 15 years in the trade. we chose oz as for our new life because of the attitude of the guys i know. People have the time to talk to you, it could be the shop checkout or the train or at the bar of the local or not so local waterhole. he made lots of friends on our rekkie and still keep in touch. to walk into a bar and end up an hour later chatting to loads of people from all walks of life is so different from here in the UK. We were there when the semi finals where on between the freo's and the sydney swans and with over 50 supporters from both teams in the bar i was a little nervous./ but it was one of the best nights i had, the usual banter of course but no trouble at all. cant see that here well not with out booking 10 ambulances and half the local police force anyway. we felt this sumed up the whole attitude of oz and its people. of course there are other things like everyone else has said like food,outdoor life, no litter, polite kids, etc etc a few bad points some small amounts of graffitee mainly on some of the outskirts of town, the very very hot days when the sea air (freo doctor) doesnt come. spiders, snakes and other crawlies. and our biggest worry is if the high number of migrants take that special something away and make it a little briton. UK for leaving a good business behind,Family and friends, being able to swim in the sea and not be looking over your shoulder. lol. UK against Litter, rude poeple, Health system, No future for our kids. which is and should be the biggest reason for going All in all we have been on a fair few holidays, some good some bad but have always been glad to be home but after our trip to perth we were very depressed to be back and started our visa process. we want to get back home asap because we feel its the right place for us and our kids. god sorry gone on a bit.. regards lee
From Dave_Trace

To david

21 May 2007 3:33 PM
(63417)
Mmmmmmmm... let's just say 'You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone'
From Dave_Trace

To david

21 May 2007 4:42 PM
(63421)
Ah, but every time I've posted anything remotely negative about the aspects of my life that I dislike here in Perth....I'm shot down in flames by all the hopefuls who are still in the UK!! It's human nature to defend what you're doing. We did. We really and truly believed that this would work for us. We honestly believed that it would be a much better life. There's no way on this earth we would've done it otherwise, it would've been pretty bloody silly wouldn't it?!!! There are many happy people here who love their lives. But equally, there are some very unhappy people who are going through a hellish time trying to come to terms with the enormity of what they've done. And yes, this is all a cowardly response because I don't want to tell it like it is for me, I can't stand another earbashing with the 'gloves off'!!!!!!!!!!!!
From garyw

To david

21 May 2007 7:40 PM
(63425)
> what is it that make people want to leave the uk? No idea, I didn't move to get away from the UK, I moved (with my wife) because this is where she was brought up, I liked it here when I visited, and life's too short to not try these things I reckon. > what is it that make people want to return to the uk? No idea, I certainly don't want to. > lets hear all the negaitives about your life in oz and uk. > lets hear about all your positives for oz and uk. For me, you can't boil it down to simple 'for' and 'against' lists, but here's some random thoughts on life here. This is based on my experiences in Perth, things may differ in other metro areas, but I doubt it. Everyday life isn't so different, you go to work, you have bills to pay, the house needs cleaning, the dog needs walking etc. etc. Many of the social and political issues are similar to those in the UK, the TV schedules are full of soapies and reality TV (Big Brother series 3 billion has just started), and you can't believe a word the politicians say. Sometimes I think politicians and other public figures are more corrupt here, but maybe they're just less sneaky and/or get caught more readily. In some ways I find that more 'honest' than with smug slimeballs like Blair and Mandelson. As I get older (38 last week), I find I become more and more like the Grumpy Old Men; kids here are no different to the UK, they don't know how to spell, they have no idea how to use an apostrophe, and day fink its r34LLy k3wl to spk lk ths. Aussies are generally friendly, as are many Brits, but I just think that it's more noticeable here. At the same time there's plenty of rude, unfriendly people; as with the UK, it takes all sorts. I do find that people are approachable in Perth, whereas if you walk up to someone in Bristol or London, say, they eye you suspiciously. There's plenty of crime here and, like the UK, the police deal with that by focusing on catching speeding motorists. Talking of which, speeding is much easier to achieve here as the speed limits are lower, and Perth drivers generally induce so much frustration that you can't help but put your foot down aggressively, once you get past them on the freeway. Learner drivers and P-platers are worse than learner drivers in the UK, in my opinion, and the P-Plate system just seems to give them a reason to not learn how to drive properly. They obviously feel it is some sort of protective blanket. The weather's great, the snakes and spiders have been a complete non-issue, but the flies and mosquitoes are a pain sometimes. You can plan to have a barbecue in a month's time and know that the weather will be fine (assuming you plan it in summer and not in winter of course). Perth's annual rainfall is about the same as Manchester, but in Perth 99% of it falls on 2 days (OK, a slight exaggeration there, but when it rains it truly rains hard). Things are green in winter here, and dry and dusty in summer, but you get used to that, and there are landscapes and other natural beauties that you would never see in the UK. Similarly there are aspects of the English countryside that I sort of miss, but my attitude has always been 'well it is a different country, so it would be odd if things were not different here'. Things I've done in the Uk that I can't do here, or at least not easily, include: walking up Glastonbury Tor, freezing my whatsits off going for a swim on the Cornish coast, shivering at the thought of going anywhere near the water at Whitley Bay, watch United play stood in the Stretford End. Things I've done here that I would never have tried in the UK, or the weather made it hard include: Watching outdoor theatre in Kings Park, meeting up with friends for bacon and eggs on a Sunday morning cooked on a public free-to-use barbecue, eaten witchetty grubs, eaten crocodile, spent a weekend visiting wineries, spent Australia Day on a boat on the river, seen 'roos in the wild, eaten roo steaks regularly, cooked and eaten octopus, squid and a wide range of other seafood. Drank beer while stood in 'The Shed', watching Perth Glory play. We could only rent in the UK, but have been able to buy our own house here and have a swimming pool to boot. Swimming pools aren't the stuff of Lotto jackpot dreams here, they're something that ordinary people can have too. Unfortunately though, the property prices in Perth are going up at a ridiculous rate, so we might not have been able to do that so easily if we were heading over now. Overall the cost of things seems to be about the same, when you average it out, but the cost of living seems lower because there's more you can do that costs little or nothing. That's the positive effect of the weather, you can plan to do stuff outdoors, without needing to pay entrance fees to somewhere that offers indoor activities in case the rain comes. OK, that's simplifying it a lot, but the point is that our money seems to go further here. Do I miss the UK? Yeah in some ways, my 11 year old daughter still lives there with her Mum, my niece and nephews are still there, my parents are still there, my sisters are still there and so on. Would any of that make me go back? Not really, life here is good for me, the telephone and internet provide ways of keeping in touch back in the UK. Is it hard to make a go of it here? In my opinion, no more so than anywhere else. While things will differ for everyone, a positive attitude/approach will go a long way to easing the transition, in my experience at least. There's so many more things I could write I'm sure, but I'll stop now as I have to leave the office LOL Best of luck to you all in your own adventure, whether it be heading to Oz, heading back to the UK, or eternally flitting between the two :)
From garyw

To david

22 May 2007 4:47 PM
(63541)
Hi David, A lot of it boils down to expectations I think. If you expect to have a life of luxury, live mortgage free and have an eternal holiday, then you will be disappointed. If you expect to have to make an effort in life, and expect to only get back at most what you put in, then you'll probably do fine. Family helps too - we were lucky, I know that, because my wife was brought up here, her parents and brothers are here, and we had a built-in support network when we arrived. At the same time, my parents were very supportive, so we didn't have things complicated by other people's issues. My parents came here for a 3 month saty at the end of last year, my mum summed it up nicely by saying 'I miss you a lot, but I can see why you want to live here'. So that's my recipe for success, as idealised as it may be, get family onside, come over with a 'can do' attitude, and expect to work hard to establish your new life :)
From Ljenks

To david

22 May 2007 10:39 PM
(63605)
Hi David What made us leave the UK - walking through Bristol city centre and not hearing a word of English, the crime (I was mugged at 9am in the morning on my way to work) my brother is the only working person in his area, PC and the thought of having to work past the age of 65 to support scroungers who enter the country with no other thought than how they are going to milk the social security system and the weather. What does Australia have - well I did struggle with life in Perth. I found it too isolated (it cost $2500 for 2 return tickets from Perth to Melbourne without accomodation), I got bored with bbqs round other people's houses and missed having a variety of places to eat out, cafe-bars, restaurants etc, the shopping hours I personally found a complete nightmare. Both me and my husband work long hours and the trading hours meant we were very restricted as to when we could go shopping - it seemed our life revolved around getting to the supermarket. However when I visited Melbourne I realised that the problem was not Perth it was me. I was living in the type of area that didn't suit me. Perth is extremely beautiful and for a large number of people it is the perfect location. I've relocated to Brisbane (I loved Melbourne but don't like the cold) and I love it here. It's cheap to fly to Sydney, Melbourne, Cairns, New Zealand and there is so much to do here. It's not for everyone but it suits me. I don't want to go back to the UK - even for a holiday. There is nothing in the UK that makes me want to go back. My family visit me here. I think Australia is an amazing country and that we are lucky to be here. When people are moving here they really need to do the research. They need to sit down and think what it is that they like and also look at employment opportunities before deciding where to settle. We came out with very little. We have both worked since we arrived, we've done long hours but are now starting to reap the rewards. I think Gary W's post was a good one. Don't come out here with unrealistic expectations. I also think, however, that although there has been a lot of criticism of the 'negative posts' here recently. I have been on Aussiemove for a number of years now and I do remember some of these people when they were getting their visas. They were excited and couldn't wait to move here. I don't think they're trying to put people off - just presenting an alternative point of view. I believe that there is a part of Australia for everyone. There's no right and there's no wrong. So if you're going through the visa process or thinking about it grab the opportunity with both hands. Life is so short. Even if you decide (for whatever reason) to return to the UK at least you've had the experience of living in another country.