17 Feb 2010 7:48 PM
|We have just come back from western aus.
We stayed with friends in Mandurah for 10 days then we hired a car and drove up the coast to coral bay.
We were very disappointed in all areas.
We liked the large roads and the design of the houses but each town they build is identical to the next..it's almost as if they say 'we have granted a thousand visas this week lets build a road to another town and they will need a Coles, Bottle shop, Kmart and petrol station'. Also they have all that land and the houses they build is on a small pitch with barely any garden!
We drove in excess of 3000k and everywhere we went was dirty, run down and very expensive.
We found the aussie people to be very nice and helpful, but most were fat! I had visions of beautiful girls and boys carrying surf boards everywhere and that I would be eating lots of fish and fruit and veg but each menu on each place to eat had, burger,steak sandwich, or fish of the day totally spoilt by greasy batter.
The parents of children we met mostly had pulled their children out of state school and put them into private as they felt there were problems, and the teenagers said there was nothing to do and spent most of the time in doors..?
I had visions of finishing school and then going to the beach for a while but we discovered that not many of the beaches were swimming ones and safe for young children and also you would have to drive a while to them.The currents made it impossible to enjoy your swim anyway..And quite frankly the sand was full of seaweed and shells which I know is natural but I live in Sandbanks,Poole which is groomed and very soft.
Another element that really got us down was the wind! Not just a breeze, but gale force from about 2pm everyday.
We spent a few night in Perth and thought that Kings park was nice but the rest was scruffy and dirty and if you walked around after ten at night it was almost frightening. The city beaches were very windy and the water very rough so not suitable for young ones. The restaurants were inside the posh hotels and the rest were junk foody places. Lots of boarded up shops and Sex shops mixed in which was wierd.
All in all not what we expected at all.
We have a lot of african friends that have made the move there and are very happy.. altho they don't socialise much with aussies. It is a step up from africa but not a step up from England. We may not have regular sun but we have everything else on our doorstep, and when you don't have much money you can still cope as it is cheaper.
We enjoyed the sun but still at times felt colder than we expected.
We may look at the East coast to see if that's the australia that we were imagining, but we are not sure it can offer anymore than somewhere closer.
17 Feb 2010 8:33 PM
|so only 2 positives in the whole rekkie! maybe australia isnt for you!! as it isnt for everyone but with being here 1 year and then going back to the UK for 11months now back in WA with no intentions of heading back to the uk to live!!!
we have 2 girls that swim in the water 10-15 min drive!on a regular basis and also attend mainstream school and as yet we have no complaints.
just like the UK you have the tescos or the asda and the local shops we all need ameneties
we have also just bought a block of land 618Sqm allowing space for a pool etc and plenty of space for a trampoline.
it is expensive but then the wages accomodate for this and you have to remember not to work out in pound if you earn in dollars! there are local groups for the children you just have to look for them my eldest one has just recently joined the emergency services cadets and they do an awful lot of activities for a reasonable $20 per semester!
my weekly shop for the four of us comes in at around $100 not including fresh bread and milk for the week but this includes the main shop!! i dont think it is that expensive if anything the cost of food is getting cheaper than when we first arrived!
perth isnt for everyone and i hope that you find what you are looking for!
i have heard that the east coast is better for young lively couples what truth is in that i dont know!|
17 Feb 2010 11:31 PM
|It sounds like you were expecting some sort of utopia, only to be sorely disappointed!
I make no apologies for being so abrupt, and as Trudie has mentioned, perhaps Australia or WA isn't for you... though I think you've only very lazily scratched the surface.
Perhaps a little more research was or is required? The afternoon wind (the Fremantle Doctor) is well known and documented. There are numerous good dining experiences to be had, you just need to look further than the end of your nose. Did you research anything on fine dining??? C Restaurant etc... As for beaches, well. You clearly haven't looked, though bear in mind we're not in the English Channel or North Sea, the Indian Ocean is a little larger and as such has more currents that affect it.
As with the UK there are many areas that have their problems. Australia is no different, though it sounds like you managed to find all of the bad ones... Housing here is actually completely different to the UK. Whilst many homes may look the same, I would suggest you look inside them. In WA the builders allow you to have perhaps too much choice. You can change internal layouts, brickwork etc. etc. Have you been on a Wimpey, Barratt or other UK builder's estate recently Now there is a blueprint for indentical housing.
The simple fix here is to take of the rose tinted spectacles. A wise woman once told me 'same cr@p, different country' You still have to work, pay bills etc. etc. but it is what you choose to do outside of this and how you approach the numerous opportunities Australia can offer you without the need to have a rich inheritance.
18 Feb 2010 12:15 AM
|I guess by what this chap is saying, there are only 20 cities in the world worth a look at. Perth comes in a 21st most desirable city to live in IN THE WORLD! yet is described (in his post) as not really worth a look.
After London (no.39). there wasn't another English City on the top 100.
2007 Rank City Country Index 2007
18 Feb 2010 2:45 PM
|I think everyone needs to put this Rekkie Report in perspective by reading the others as well for comparisons. I was going to go through all the points raised here in this rekkie one by one, but it`s really not worth it for me, as I think the Rekkie gives a very negative report of things out here. I guess all you can really say is WA isn`t for everyone.... We have been here 3 and a half years and are still very happy to be here, we have a much better quality of life and that is what matters to us in the end. |
19 Feb 2010 1:20 AM
|Ah, but you're missing a trick here... the results were based upon a roulette system (UK naturally). The 'zeroth' most desirable place is Sandbanks Poole so sure one would want to slum it in WA when you could pop next door for a fine old cuppa with ol' Mr Redknapp I really don't know :)
Perhaps it was simply a poorly thought out midlife crisis thing...|
19 Feb 2010 10:23 AM
|You clearly did NO research as most of the things that irritated you could have found out about before you arrived. Also there are plenty of places to eat in Perth and surrounding areas if you had just done some research. Some lovely restaurants in Leederville and Subiaco all a very short hop from central Perth. Mount Lawley, Highgate also have some lovely eateries. Again plenty of nice little quiet beaches if you had bothered to research. Also you would know that at some times of the year seaweed is more prevalent than others, research research research.
I am sorry that Perth wasn't to your liking, it seems like you (and indeed us residents of WA) had a very lucky escape.|
19 Feb 2010 12:35 PM
|Ummmmm ... well, what can I say!!
Wow, 10 days, you really must have 'truely discovered WA' ... sorry to sound so critical, but come on ... really!!
Yes, the Freo Doctor (ie. wind) blows in in the afternoon in Perth... but it's hardly a gale ... it's a welcome relief when temperatures reach 40 ... and Mandurah ... PLEASE! That and the estates around there are the newest estates to be built ... wait for the trees and planting to be established.
You will also get a lot of wind if you go North (up to Exmouth), as it's summer, and it's the tropical, stormy, windy season.
DID you look at Cottesloe, Subiaco, Leederville, Mount Hawthorne, Applecross, Bicton, East Freemantle etc to see the true 'suburbs' of WA. I live on a 750 square meter block, and have full grown palm trees in my garden - around the pool. It's a 40 minute cycle into the CBD, 7 minutes to CBD by train and about 15 minutes maximum driving. ALL of the 'older' suburbs are like this!
And as for dirty ... well, Perth is MUCH cleaner than any city/town I have EVER lived in or visited in the UK!! The parks are immaculate, has playground equipment that hasn't been vandalised, BBQs that are free and that work, and doggie bags to put your dog's business in. Name me 10 in the UK like that, and I'll name you 200 here in WA!!
And the currents were a bit strong ... didn't the surfing and kite surfing give it away a little!!... you will also get more seaweed, as it's the season for it! Some of the beaches aren't cleared. If you want clear, seaweed free beaches do a little research... they are here!
I see that you went North to Coral Bay, did you ever think that it's the summer here and you're heading North where it gets hotter and dryer? In the summer, you have to head South, where it's cooler and much greener. Did you get to Margaret River? Augustus? Albany? Esperance? etc etc? No, I guess not ...
Did you look at any of the VERY CHEAP sporting activities?!
The only thing that I'll give you in your 'reekie', is that it's expensive. Yes it is, but I wouldn't be anywhere else ... oh, and isn't London and Edinburgh expensive as well!!
Oh hum ...|
19 Feb 2010 5:49 PM
|I have to disagree about Joondalup having small blocks. the newer suburbs further north than Joondalup may well be small but I am in the suburb next to Joondalup, we have a Championship golfcourse here too. My block is 812 sqm and it isn't unusual here, the guy across the road has a 1000 sqm block and is about to subdivide. I guess you haven't been to Joondalup for a while. I also have palm trees around my pool :)|
19 Feb 2010 7:24 PM
Point taken :-)... I was just so cross that someone can spend 10 days in a state as BIG as WA and believe that they have seen all that it can offer!
19 Feb 2010 8:40 PM
|Shame you found everything so negative. Perth not for you then - fair enough there is plenty of other parts of Australia but i think maybe you need to take off the rose tinted glasses and look long and hard at where you are living and now - if its is as good as you say maybe you should stay there? I am not sure you really saw all that perth has - but as many people have said we all like differnt things. I dont live on a tiny block or in adirty place - you must have missed my suburb!
As for saying that most people were fat - where were you looking?
Good luck whatever you decide to do|
19 Feb 2010 9:33 PM
|I rarely post on here, but I felt I had to reading the rekkie below. Why is it that whenever anyone posts a negative comment about Perth, people just jump down their throat. It was their opinion. When people are deciding on whether to emigrate or not it is good to hear both sides, its just a shame you can't freely express your opinion without having to read other peoples sarc|
19 Feb 2010 9:37 PM
|Sorry nicksandpaul - my reply wasnt meant o be sarc|
19 Feb 2010 9:46 PM
I wasn't getting at anyone in paticular, it's just such a huge thing to move to another Country and to expect that everything is going to be wonderful, when really it is bloody tough going and you have to be a hard kind of person to stick it out (in my opinion)!!
Life is great here, but everywhere has it's bad points and I think it's good for people to read about them :)|
19 Feb 2010 9:53 PM
|This move as you say its so hard - like the biggest emotional rollar coaster any of us have ever been on!
Hope things are going ok for you?
19 Feb 2010 11:22 PM
|I think it was that they spent 10 days in Mandurah - before travelling up to the Coral Coast. I think its important here that people feel able to share their feelings about a place, whether that is good or bad - but historically there are a lot of people on here who defend Perth as if it was their baby. Many of the points that were raised are quite fair - there is a sea breeze, there is seaweed which varies depending on the time of year, there can be strong ocean currents, blocks here don't allow for large back gardens unless you are really in a rural setting - It is what it is, but to some people they may like a smaller garden, they may like the afternoon breeze and so on. Each to their own.
20 Feb 2010 12:22 AM
|leigh_and_ross, I think that the point we're all trying to make (some better than others - read less sarc|
20 Feb 2010 10:34 AM
|Now I dont live there yet, 3 weeks to go but surely you cant please all the people all the time.From what I have seen of sandbanks(Piers Morgan) it is one of the most overpriced areas of real estate in the world, only second to the 'palm' or 'the world' in Dubai.
As for the size of property or land it is built on clearly terraced property has never been seen by your eyes.
I can only speak for myself and my family but the chance to come to Australia is viewed as 'a golden ticket' that thousands would give their right arm for, who care about a sea breeze. I know this thread is not about economics but for me the chance to live in what I see as a 'much better and healthier place for my kids'is a chance of a lifetime. See you in 3 weeks.
20 Feb 2010 10:42 AM
|Sorry this wasnt a direct reply to you.
20 Feb 2010 11:10 PM
|I get the feeling that for whatever reason people on this board seem to feel they have defend their decision to move to Perth. Not sure why but any criticism of Perth is almost always taken as a criticism of their decision to move here. Maybe we all still harbour some doubts. I am half way through a four year stay and although the whole family are loving living in Perth I still recognised and identified with all the negatives in the orginal post. But hey I have yet to find a perfect place to live. |
21 Feb 2010 3:34 PM
|I suppose this all comes down to wieghing up whether what you are coming to is better than what you are leaving behind. If it is all aesthetics then understandably Australia, and in particular Perth may not be the place for you. Part of me wants to agree with you in so far as the suburban sprawl isn't beautiful. However it is extremely functional and enables very tight communitites to be built. An example of this is that I went to Leeming High School in its infancy and many of my class mates have gone on and got married, and raised their own families there. It has everything with the convineint access to the city.
However I cant see how you can fail to be impressed by the beautiful coastline here. Having travelled all over the world WA has some of the best beaches I have ever seen and the chance to live near one is not unmanagable for most. By this I mean a ten minute car commute. I am surprised you were disappointed by Coral Bay and wonder what you were expecting. I appreciate it doesnt come with all the trappings of the Med but that is actually what makes it more beautiful.
I am interested in what you found dirty and run down? Would agree parts of Fremantle and Perth need a good tidy up but both councils are addressing this and there are some pretty vibrant plans afoot. Expensive I cannot and will not dispute. You are so correct. It is daylight robbery here and it the price paid for being remote. Unfortunately it really is a like it or lump it case!
Your observations about overweight Australians is again a good one but I know this to be a world wide problem. It shocked me when I initially moved to the UK how fat and unhealthy everybody looked there! It is global and we can thank Mc Donalds for that not our nationality! I like others wonder where you ate? Perth, whilst still so expensive has some of the most beautiful resturants desperate to get you to try fresh local fare. I trust you didnt explore there?
I think the biggest problem for many would be migrants is Home and Away. It is not Summer Bay here. It is the same s$%^ different place. Where in the UK you have endless days of grey skies, we have endless days of blue skies and they can be equally tiring! I guess it comes down to what you want out of life!
My husband still moans ... a lot about it here but we have written down a list and this is why we stay.
1. our work life balance is easier. We both work but childcare arrangements and my proximity to my work make it very managable.
2. our employers dont want blood. they recognise we have a family. they want the job done!
3. our weekends are casual and local without great expense - a trip to the beach costs nothing.
4. overall our cost of living is less. we only run one car and keep manage to do everything locally including all kids daycare and activities.
5. we live in fremantle and dont feel we would be able to have the same lifestyle in the UK.
6. my husband likes the weather here! I dont!!!
7. We spend quality time together as a family.
We both appreciate England and Europe for everything they have to offer and often pine for it however we have made the decision to stay put as the scales balance in Perth's favour.
I dont buy the argument that readers on this board cant take criticism of Perth as I think even the happiest must get frustrated with aspects of life here. I just feel that in posting such negative comments you need to be mindful of the people who read this board and be aware that whilst criticsim is valid, it just needs to be balanced and fair and with the tone of your post I am not sure that you have presented a balanced view of Perth.
Good luck with wherever you decide to settle. May you find your Summer Bay!|
21 Feb 2010 3:35 PM
|But surely even you can appreciate that the post lacked balance?|
22 Feb 2010 7:57 AM
|True, however if she had of posted that she had a great time and Perth was wonderful, would you have said 'the post lacked balance'? No because she would of said what you wanted to hear. My point was that everyone is entitled to an opinion. I sometimes think people have to subconsciously justify to themselves why they are here and that is why they take offence to negative posts.|
22 Feb 2010 10:17 AM
|In a 2 week holiday there must have been some good, it can't have all been as miserable as she makes it sound. I am a self confessed Perth lover. I don't have to justify to anyone why I am here and why I like it. However, Australia and indeed Perth isn't perfect, well balanced people should be able to concede that. There are things that get my goat on a daily basis. BUT nobody can be that bloody miserable that they couldn't find ONE single positive thing after a drive from Mandurah to Coral Bay.|