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As a new Aussie please look objectively       started by aussiealba on 09 Sep 2010   (23100)
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From aussiealba

09 Sep 2010 2:08 AM
(109363)
My God how do I start this post? I have used this site on and off for 6 years and its great, in my mind the best for help or advice compared to others. I even suggested the live chat from the UK for people and it was great when it was put up here, nice when you needed that Aussie fix from the UK. The people on here are really helpful and long lasting, I can name a few but wont, you will know who they are. I have not helped as much lately but have in the past. (under other names here...ok I forgot the logon password so shoot me...I was busy!!!) The only message I want to give you all, and its a lesson VERY VERY hard learned is watch where you do put your dream home... I have never seen on any site what I am about to type.0 We have no idea of it in the UK. Its a different cultural attitude to housing in areas. I have been here for 4 years now, gave it a good go and I am now an Australian Citizen. You, like I came here or will, to have a better life for our kids and enjoy what Australia has to offer? Yes I have done that and lived the dream for 3 years, then it was shattered beyond all belief recently when unsold blocks in my street were sold to state housing. Mine is even worse 22 units with single occupants. 4 of their 1 bedroom units fit on one normal block you or I would have. You can be in a very expensive area (block next door $290K)and a developer goes under, bust, what ever and sells to the state housing and your suburb dives. My house overnight has lost easy $150k IF I sell it.... I even contacted my local State politician, I am a new Aussie can vote!!!, not interested. They dont care, its an integration thing here. If I cant sell my house will become a fortress with night vision cameras to keep them out and a big dog. Look up homeswest problems on google. Seriously guys state housing in Australia is no where near council housing in the UK, I grew up on a council estate. This is part of the global stimulus over here to get jobs going and get people sorted, get the very very low income workers in houses. Not that its a bad thing but the drugs rehabilitation policy is not what I came here for ie over 18 and need a fixed address to get on a program, so come to my street, when I paid over half a million for my house?? Look at this site http://www.dhw.wa.gov.au/ So what can I say, well buy in a street where you are the last block and you can see whats there. Ask people and I mean really delve in to what state housing is in the area or could be, ask the estate agent please. DONT make the mistake I did and put all your hard earned UK cash in an areas that looks great but turns to sh!t in one go and you never seen it coming. I am in a hard place now....if I lose even more that I think I have then I may return to the UK, cos with the exchange rate it may work out even after 4 years here....-(((( Australia is great but you need to be streetwise and thats never on the sites to migrate. Good luck live your dream, I hope this helps make good of my lack of knowledge. Stevie
From jimboman

To aussiealba

09 Sep 2010 8:40 AM
(109364)
Or you could just buy a house that has already been built in an established area. That way, you can see what the other houses look like, how they are kept and what the neighbours are like. The other thing with new land estates, is that many of the blocks will be bought by investors who will slap up a cheapish 3x1 and then rent it out. Sometimes, worse than having Homeswest next door.
From baz_nicola

To aussiealba

09 Sep 2010 9:05 AM
(109365)
Where abouts are you
From Mindblower

To baz_nicola

09 Sep 2010 3:08 PM
(109366)
Good point re streetwise...shark infested waters here.
From leigh_and_ross

To aussiealba

09 Sep 2010 5:42 PM
(109367)
Good post Stevie - heartbreaking situation for you though. Virtually all new developments that are not 'private estates', will have every 12th block reserved as homes west. They can be identified on plans as they are marked with a * However, as you say, you cannot guarantee that a developer will not sell a privately owned block privately at a later date to homeswest. The best advise to new migrants is don't rush to buy - take your time - learn lots about how things work here, talk to lots of people and do a lot of research. Leigh
From fairylights

To aussiealba

09 Sep 2010 9:42 PM
(109369)
Sorry you've had bad luck like this - I don't think anyone can predict this sort of thing & if they can do this, they're just lucky. Try to think of the positives - if you look at current exchange rate & what you would get for yout UK property in the market now, you'll probably find you are still winning. What you say about the Aussie culture is true - and mindblower hit the nail on the head -there are more sharks, snakes and deadly jelly fish out there than in the UK - I thought the UK was rife with backstabbers and financially driven social climbers but I think Aus (well WA anyway) is worse - but this may just be me forgetting how bad things are in the UK and wearing the proverbial rose tinted glasses my grandmother always had. You can always sell a house for 'the right price' - some punter will think they are getting a bargain - sometimes you have to just take the loss (if it really is a loss) to make future gains - any stockmarket trader will tell you this - if you know you're onto a loser, get out with what you can and be ruthless like a true Aussie.
From jimboman

To fairylights

10 Sep 2010 9:57 AM
(109374)
I'm not so sure that there are more sharks (human kind) here than in the UK. It is just that you expose yourself to so many of them in such a short space of time. When you come over here, you will be buying a car, a house (dealing with lenders, builders, estate agents and solicitors) buying life insurance, car insurance, fridges, tellys, furniture etc. etc. All of this will be done in the first few months or so. You probably didn't do all of these things in the UK in two or three months. On the subject of new land and new houses, remember that all you are getting when you buy a block of land, is a pile of sand. The developers artists impressions of the finished estate are just that, artists impressions. Try to avoid being near through roads (a road that will get you from one part of the estate to another) and avoid bus routes, shops,schools and parks. Cul de sacs are favourite but avoid those with alleyways. Most estates here tend to follow a design pattern with one or two entrance roads, one through road with side roads off and then a series of cul de sacs. Drive around an established estate(5 years old or more) and get a feel for where the rough people live (overgrown lawns, souped up cars parked out the front etc.). Also bear in mind that due to the mining boom, there are some very rough people with lots of money, so even if you buy the best block on the estate, you could still end up living next door to an anti social moron.
From steveandclare

To aussiealba

10 Sep 2010 1:40 PM
(109376)
I'll be honest, I think you are being a little melodramatic. Homeswest houses aren't all packed with 50 screaming kids, drunk or crack using parents and 15 wrecked cars on the front driveway. Jimbo is right, being in a private estate doesn't rule out the bogan element - we were living next door to an Aussie who's mess of a garden encouraged cockroach infestations for the 5 years we lived in our last house. The neighbours over the back fence had late teens who were determined to drag race round Joondalup at all hours of the night and caused us no end of drama. My point of course, is that these people are not homeswest tenants. We are building in Banksia Grove, where as Leigh points out, every 12th house is homeswest. The overall plan for the estate prohibits alot of the traditionally anti social behaviour - like repairing cars and caravans on the front lawn, so we should end up with a neat, respectable looking neighbourhood. Hoeswest are making their tenants much more accountable for the appearance of their homes so any negative behaviour results in eviction now. Jimbo makes a good point about us all exposing ourselves to a concentration of the worst elements of WA when we first move here, insurance salesmen, estate agents, car salesmen - all the wankers you could ever hope to meet within the first two months of stepping off the plane. It is a bit of a jungle here, mainly because we are coming into it pretty green. You get there though and it does work out. I am not as financially well off as I was in the UK - houses are rediculously over priced here, but I have a much better standard of living and I doubt I would ever move back to the UK Steve
From baz_nicola

To jimboman

10 Sep 2010 9:15 PM
(109379)
Well i must say Jimbo you have hit the nail on the head there, Steve also. We live in Banksia Grove also, on one of the acre blocks that run up old pinjar Rd and we have fantastic neighbours both at the sides and accross the road however we got burgled a couple of years ago and all the locals were saying its because of the reputation of the place, because its full of homes west people, however i work as a property maintenance man all over the Perth district, from Butler to Cockburn and on some real flash properties and meet a lot of people with my job and i realised it was the Aussie initiation to be burgled, with this i mean no matter where you live and what the neighbours are like (rich or poor, young or old), i would say 85% - 95% of the people i told had there story to tell about when they were burgled and what happened. The moral of the story get a big dog and a big stick and give the thieving bastards a party. I also agree with the concentration of dick heads you have to deal with in the first few months of being here, smiling with you while lying about the product and removing your money while doing so, but hey we all live and learn and if you havent made a mistake on your arrival here then your a liar. Finaly Stevie (from the original post) you still havent told us where you bought Regards All
From fairylights

To jimboman

10 Sep 2010 9:31 PM
(109380)
Been here nearly 4 years and the 'sharks' I'm referring to are not estate agents, salesman or insurance brokers (they are just small fry). I am probably very naive, but it has taken me 3 years to see it! I was warned by a very wise friend - 'the only problem with Australia is the Australians' and I didn't believe him, but I am slowly coming to terms with the fact that he was. in my view right. I can fully understand why people go back to Europe, the US or any other civilised countries (even, dare I say South Africa) after 4 or 5 years. We won't be doing that for at least another 8 years because our kids are settled. In the meantime, we just have to learn to live with the 'lazy Aussies' (this term is one coined by my husband's Phillipino friends.........and so true).
From kayandandy

To fairylights

11 Sep 2010 12:32 AM
(109381)
Whoa .... that is a somewhat ignorant attitude to have. I grew up here and whilst I dont 'feel' Australian, legally I am! I found your post offensive, as I am sure many other people here did. Australians, like British, like South Africans, like New Zealanders, like Americans and like Phillipinos to name a few, are people! In any group of people you will always get your bad eggs and your good eggs, lazy and hardworking ... and they wont all be Australians. I wonder what nationality you are because I would hate to c
From jimboman

To fairylights

11 Sep 2010 10:57 AM
(109386)
Actually, Australians have quite a strong work ethic. It is part of the Macho Aussie culture to do a bit of hard yakka. Being a tradie over here and wearing a hi viz shirt is a badge of honour. If you want to see bone idle, go to England where one in five people live in a house where no one works. Would lazy people try to grow wheat in a desert?
From Sharron+Mick

To fairylights

11 Sep 2010 11:43 AM
(109389)
I too believe there are good and bad where ever you live in the World and althou Australia is not Perfect I think I have made the right choice for my kids. My eldest son in now working full time and has got himself a 3 year apprenticeship in Bricklaying. When I speak to pals in the UK I realise just how lucky we are as the school leavers there are unable to find employment. Also just wanted to add that I have friends here both UK and Australian. I have not as yet found an Australian person that is unfriendly and unwilling to help in anyway they can.
From tisme

To fairylights

11 Sep 2010 1:11 PM
(109390)
Australia has the lowest unemployment rate in the world at 5.5% this would be a LOT higher if like you say Aussies are lazy, it is also a fact that Australians work the most hours in a week. Lazy Australians?? I think not. The only problem with Australia is the whinging Pomes, not saying all pomes are whingers, just a small minority.
From jimboman

To tisme

11 Sep 2010 2:40 PM
(109391)
Those moaning taffs are a pain in the arse as well (not to mention the jocks)
From Kris+Rob

To Sharron+Mick

11 Sep 2010 3:55 PM
(109392)
Three year apprenticeship in bricklaying??? Does it really take that long to be able to build a straight wall??? Ha ha @jimbo's last post. I tought Jocks and Taffs ARE POMS?
From tisme

To jimboman

11 Sep 2010 5:39 PM
(109394)
Be afraid, be very afraid, I know where you live.
From tisme

To Kris+Rob

11 Sep 2010 5:42 PM
(109395)
3 years to learn how to build a straight wall, and some of them still can't do that, lol. Us Taffs and Jocks are NOT poms, poms are Anglo Saxons, originally German expats.
From jimboman

To Kris+Rob

11 Sep 2010 7:35 PM
(109397)
Theres a bit more to bricklaying than building straight walls.
From kildrummy

To tisme

11 Sep 2010 8:35 PM
(109398)
Easy now, you get arrested these days for that sort of post. Its funny how perceptions vary from place to place. Since I moved to Perth I have heard so many people decry the local population for being bone idle, the loudest of which have almost always been other Australians. I also met a couple of blokes, one English and one Irish, who both run pretty large successful companies who both claimed that they never employ the locals because they are so lazy. My own experiance is so differant its hard to understand how such views arise. Working in the UK we used to employ Australians and Kiwis before all others because without exception they were all reliable and hard working. I have been here two years and have had nothing but positive experiances with the numerous tradesmen that have passed through my house. I can not say this about any other country in which I have lived. BUT, and its a big but, we must remember that in WA at least, almost 60% of the current workforce come from somewhere other than WA so most of the time when we meet any worker its safe to say they are not from around these parts.
From Kris+Rob

To tisme

12 Sep 2010 9:04 AM
(109399)
Sorry to disappoint you, but according to both the Oxford dictionary and wikipedia you ARE a pom. Don't take it to heart. )
From jimboman

To kildrummy

12 Sep 2010 9:13 AM
(109400)
People who travel or migrate, are often harder working than local populations, because they are the sort to get off their bums to improve their lives. This can create an impression that the English are harder working than the Aussies. The fact is, that many of the hard working Aussies are up north earning the big bucks (or in Europe or the USA etc)so what gets left behind is a skewed proportion of lazy arses. The same goes for England. When we lived in Devon, there was a huge population of scroungers, most of them locals. All of the 'blow ins' from other parts of the UK, had the best jobs and worked hardest. Meanwhile, the local kids who did well in school and wanted to improve their lot, would move to London or Bristol where there was more opportunity and the lazy kids would stay in Devon, procreate and the cycle would continue.
From tisme

To Kris+Rob

12 Sep 2010 10:30 AM
(109402)
POME stands for Prisoner of mother ENGLAND not Britain or UK, I hailed from Wales, :0)))
From cathntone

To tisme

12 Sep 2010 5:16 PM
(109404)
I'm loving this thread, Aussiemove as it used to be. Jimboman near the top of his game and a few others learning from the master. Thanks to aussiealba for providing the fodder!
From me2you

To cathntone

12 Sep 2010 7:07 PM
(109406)
when we was still in oz, there was a programme on the tv about POMS. they said that there was no proof that it stood for prisoner of mother england and that the smart money was on it being short for 'pomegranite' - the colour the brits used to turn in the sun - either that or pummy grant was oz ryhming slag for immigrant - something like that. they showed old documents which talked about the POMS way before any prisoners were ever shipped there.
From jimboman

To me2you

12 Sep 2010 8:34 PM
(109408)
Correct, not Prisoner of Mother England as that wouldn't make sense as the first settlers were prisoners and the term was mainly used to describe new migrants who came of their own free will.
From tisme

To me2you

12 Sep 2010 8:57 PM
(109409)
I too have heard of the term POME meaning pomegranate, but noone knows for sure the real meaning of the POME. The meaning now is to describe a person from England, like Jocks for the Scottish and Taffs for the Welsh, not sure what the Irish are called maybe Paddies?? Well anyway I'm an ex Taff and my husband is an ex Jock, both of us now are Aussies, neither of us are Pomes. :0)
From fairylights

To tisme

12 Sep 2010 10:57 PM
(109411)
If the Pomegranite theory is true - most Jocks & Taffs (and Paddies) would be the POMEs because of their naturally paler complexion..............
From tisme

To fairylights

12 Sep 2010 11:16 PM
(109412)
Taffs generally have a darker complexion and dark hair, thought to be orininally from Troy, (Greece), as were some of the darker Jocks, and the paler skinned Jocks migrated from Ireland.
From fairylights

To tisme

12 Sep 2010 11:25 PM
(109413)
Most of the taffs I know are pale-as.........especially the ones with dark hair - dark hair doesn't mean dark skin...the combination of dark hair and dark skin probably indicates some roman insurgence in the ancestry.
From tisme

To fairylights

12 Sep 2010 11:33 PM
(109414)
Thats probably due to a lack of sunshine, lol. expose them to continuous sunshine and they would probably go dark.
From jimboman

To tisme

13 Sep 2010 9:13 AM
(109415)
Taffs are generally darker because they don't wash and Jocks are pale because they spend all their time in the pub and never expose themselves to sunshine. Get it right..
From tisme

To jimboman

13 Sep 2010 9:37 AM
(109416)
Maybe it's the coal dust.
From Kris+Rob

To jimboman

13 Sep 2010 7:01 PM
(109417)
Julia Gillard must be the exception: She's a Taff, but looks like a Jock. :)
From cherries

To Kris+Rob

14 Sep 2010 5:49 PM
(109418)
POM means Perfection Of Mankind. Aussie Aussie Aussie your tits are are in the trolley, your balls are in the biscuit tin, you sit on the grass with your fingers up your arse playing with your ding a ling ling. Its all good fun
From Paul_F

To jimboman

16 Sep 2010 7:55 PM
(109428)
Any old slang terms that people claim are acronyms are almost certainly untrue because acronyms are a relatively recent invention.