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Well what a turnaround!       started by nijethorpe on 24 Jun 2011   (23651)
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From nijethorpe

24 Jun 2011 7:39 PM
(110964)
Just back on Aussie move after a while as we are in a little conundrum as to whether we are a bit weird for wanting to go back. Seemingly we arent so I though I would give a little insight onto OUR perception of Perth. None of what I write is a slant on anyone who thinks differently to my opinions, indeed I am truly jealous of those who have found happiness here. I only wish we could have as well. I do try to put a humorous slant on my writings but only in an attempt to soften the blows of what I am about to say. I have just read my rekkie report written on here in Sep 05 when we were keen as mustard and while we did our research were still quite naive about our future in Oz. This was never an issue, we were openly optimistic, carried away on our quest for self fulfillment dreaming of our new life of continual happiness. Well over 5 years further on I for one cannot wait to leave. We are all grown ups and what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. In our case our interests have not been satiated one iota and feel now is the right time to return, before we feel it is too late and we have wasted our lives over here. We have found behind the beautiful beaches and wonderful sunsets lies a city that is the concrete equivalent of mogadon. When we do go out it is rarely, mainly due to the expense, I refuse to pay $11 for a pint and cannot justify spending $35 on a mediocre meal served by a surly prepubescent waitress, which has to be before 9pm or it is too late to get a sit down meal (discounting Maccas, the local fight club). Our love for travel has been curtailed somewhat by being coralled into paying hugely expensive fares even with the budget airlines. To travel to anywhere in WA is not only expensive but of poor quality, the standard of accommodation is laughable unless you can afford something with the same room rate as the Burj - Al Arab, although you will receive the service of a Formula 1 motel. And oh how expensive this place is. Admittedly with the AUD-GBP at a ridiulous exchange rate it can skew thinking, but the cost of living here is incredibly expensive and only going to get worse. We have a mortgage in the UK for the same amount as we have here yet pay in reletive terms twice the mortgage premium, I have never seen utility bills so high. Oh and I long for a banana - those living here will know what I mean. Petrol is the only thing we have compared to be cheaper, yet we spend twice as much travel twice as far to work and stupidly bought cars with double the engine size.....well an SUV is the must have accessory in Perth dahlings.... Then again it is the people that make a city, yet here we have a classic case of those with and those without. The city is built on the endeavours of the resources industry and while it is good for the State economy leaves those not within the sector floundering to survive on 'normal' wages. In the UK we have the chav in Perth we have the bogan, a chav with a mullet rather than a burberry cap. Seen all over the metropolitan area you will hear them before you see them driving around doing burnouts in their delapidated holden V8 death trap. Boganism is not exclusive to the youth I have seen many men with their ridiculous straggly beards doing donuts when they should really know better. I am from a rough council estate in West Yorkshire yet I have never met so many rough arsed idiotic racists. If this isn't bad enough they strut with an air of arrogance borne from living in such a wealthy state We arent too bad where we live, but we have witnessed more crime than we did in the UK and many of our friends have been victim including two families burgled, touch wood we have only had a couple of incidents of theft from our garden. I could go on but dont want to sound like a Victor Meldrew. Perception yes, but perception is reality and this is the reality of living in Perth. If you love fishing and barbeques then this may be paradise, but I have had my fill of burnt sausages. There is always an upside, the kids have made good friends, and have thrived at school, bearing in mind the educational standards are so low it is not difficult. But our lives are in phases and with my 17 year old boy ready to take on the challenges of adulthood we see little opportunity for him here unless he wants to be a 'tradey' or work up on the mines. My daughter has incredible talent in the creative arts but little scope here to really achive things. We judge Perth on what it has done for us personally, and so do not think it best to be here when I earn half what I did in the UK, can be mortgage free in the UK yet here cannot afford to take holidays, or even engage in some good old humour, intelligent humour I may add, putting an 'f' as a prefix or a 'c' as a suffix does not make something funny. You may think I am a little schizophrenic when I finish by saying we dont regret coming here. On the contrary it has meade us realise what is imnportant in OUR lives. With the exchange rate as it is we think it a good time to go back. And as the years roll by we want to be near to those close to us. In addition we dont want to stay here so long to look back and regret ever coming here. There are many things we will miss about Perth but for us it is literally and metaphorically as far from 'home' as possible. Right i will carefully dismount from my soapbox and open a bottle of strongbow $17 (11 quid) for six 500ml bottles (from the drive thru bottle shop one of the greatest inventions of modern man in encouraging drink driving!)
From donaa2

To nijethorpe

24 Jun 2011 8:04 PM
(110965)
Well written and honest. We have only been here six months but would agree with you on many points, but am prepared to give it a few years before we make our minds up finally. At least you can say ' been there, done that'. Many people don't have the courage to even try. Good luck with your move back and wishing lots of happiness in your future lives in the UK. Andrea
From nijethorpe

To donaa2

24 Jun 2011 8:19 PM
(110966)
Hi Andrea, Many thanks for your kind words. Yeah please give it a good go. We only know when it is time to move on when that point arrives and I am sure we are now there. As you said at least you have the guts to be out here in the first place. We have the comfort of the kids having Aussie citizenship which may sound mercenary but we want the best for our kids and giving them options can only serve them well. Good luck with your future plans. I hope these early days of doubt can settle so in time things will become clearer.
From cindy42

To nijethorpe

24 Jun 2011 9:00 PM
(110967)
Good luck with your move back. We too are in the process of moving back to the UK. There are lots of things we like about OZ and things we are not so keen on. We are grateful for the time we have spent here, certainly no regrets. I read a link from another site recently about the growing problem with Drug and Alcohol in WA and was suprised to read the actual depth of the problem. WA apparenlty has the 2nd highest drug use (NT is 1st) in the whole of OZ (mainly country/rural areas) According to DOH and National Drug strategy WA is above national average 22% compared to 16.9% (NT is 29%). Drug related crime has risen according to the literature i read. Not so long ago on the news Australia was ranked number one in the world for Gambling problems - that i could believe as at my kids school they are actively encouraged to participate in footy tipping (gasp) some may think that is just a bit of fun...but i think it raises some fundemental questions. Iknow there are problems all over the world especially in the UK (without doubt) but i guess i underestimated the problem here. Like i said there are things we like about OZ (as noted in my previous posts) and overal OZ has been good to us. But like you, time to move on. All the very Best cindy
From nijethorpe

To cindy42

24 Jun 2011 9:19 PM
(110968)
Hi Cindy, Having worked within a justice department here I can only concur with your research on criminality, drug use and gambling. I also used to work at the casino and I could tell you some stories! We know the UK has problems but we see them all coming here, with many government departments seemingly intent on taking the same course as the UK recruiting the top tier of British personnel with no doubt the same results. A pity, but even without these small things there are too many other gaps in our lives here to make us feel fulfilled. I dont know about you but we did go through a phase of thinking we had 'failed' by wanting to go back but that has passed and we must be true to ourselves. As with your good self I wish you all the best with your move. we have no real time lines, it is all dependant on the sale of the house. We will be taking very little back (we have worked out that filling a container costs about the same as buying a new set of furniture - we have little use for 3 lounge suites as it is let alone fit them in a UK house)unless you know of any movers that give exeptional value. Our bloody dog is costing us the most about the same as a business class ticket he will be laughing at us drinking champagne as we struggle to move in cattle class! best of luck anyhow Nije
From TheManns

To nijethorpe

24 Jun 2011 11:50 PM
(110969)
Hello! I posted our rekkie report last year and pretty much got slated for my comments, which some were prob a bit brutal however it was what i thought..Having been home and had a baby with another one on the way, i have not totally dismissed oz as i have lots of friends and family on the other side in various cities and from what they say it sounds more of how i expected oz to be and i do think the children would have a fulfilled sunny life there for lots of reasons. So i think you should consider looking into the other side before you move back as it may have the soul and culture and competitiveness you crave as well as being sunny! Lots of people come back and then think oh this isn't it where shall we go next? Do your homework..there was a reason you left in the first place right?
From morleylamb

To TheManns

24 Jun 2011 11:57 PM
(110970)
Go and see the East coast before you give up on Oz! WA is nothing like the rest of OZ, we were in Mullaloo for 8 months and realising we would never settle there drove over east, then you see what its all about!
From TheManns

To morleylamb

25 Jun 2011 12:01 AM
(110971)
We intend to!X
From nijethorpe

To TheManns

25 Jun 2011 12:26 AM
(110972)
Hi TheManns Yeah we have considered the why we left argument, but we left to give our young kids a good childhood. They are both older now and different phases in their lives, so the goalposts do change. We have done the big house got the pool and have a sea view (well we did until some barsteward built in front of us) but still it doesnt make up for the lack of intrinsic interests both here and over East where we have visited. There are many reasons we chose Perth over the Eastern States and we have been happy with that choice. We feel that the personal benefits of moving back to UK far outweigh any benefit or moving over East. Again it's all personal choice. PS read your rekkie, you were brutal but honest and honesty is needed no matter how brutal! On a sarc
From TheManns

To nijethorpe

25 Jun 2011 5:17 AM
(110973)
Good points! Much luck to youX
From Kris+Rob

To nijethorpe

25 Jun 2011 7:58 PM
(110975)
Yay! Another Perth bashing thread. Here's hoping there'll be heaps more and that they will deter as many Brits as possible from coming.
From Mindblower

To Kris+Rob

25 Jun 2011 11:33 PM
(110976)
All valid points nij, BUT Do you really want to return to broken,bankrupt,mass immigration,cold,wet blighty ?
From Gill+Mark+Girls

To nijethorpe

26 Jun 2011 7:21 AM
(110977)
Well said!! I really enjoyed reading your post and agree with all the points you made. We lived in WA for 2 and a half years and returned to the UK in Jan 2011. I haven't had a single moment of regret about returning home. Good luck with your move back!
From cindy42

To nijethorpe

26 Jun 2011 11:30 AM
(110981)
Hi Nije Thanks for your relpy. No we have never had that thought we 'failed' quite the opposite. Sadly it has been others around us that have implied we have failed. Live and let live. Cindy
From Mindblower

To cindy42

26 Jun 2011 1:50 PM
(110982)
Dont get me wrong, my heart and financial head is with England...but is it better in reality once back- it's a hard world we live in
From adamcat

To nijethorpe

26 Jun 2011 10:50 PM
(110983)
I wonder why you came out here in the first place? Was the Uk really that bad? Was Oz really that good? What happened with the rekkie? You cant just say that things have changed that much over the years..... Surely things havent got better in the UK? My family keep telling me that things have gotten worse there, jobs being lost, houses worth less, councils cutting budgets, govt hasnt got a clue etc etc... Give me burnt sausages and expensive bananas any day, Im staying in my big house by the beach earning 3 times what I did in England, and loving it too.....
From simonc

To Mindblower

27 Jun 2011 11:39 AM
(110984)
Swings n roundabouts. No one place is any better than another. It is all down to individual perceptions and how we are mentally wired as to how we fit in. The bits I enjoy the most are the adventures that occur on the way, it is routine that I struggle with here and there or anywhere.
From borky2000

To nijethorpe

27 Jun 2011 7:23 PM
(110985)
Hi I think you maybe looking at the UK through rose tinted glasses. We are moving to perth in 7 weeks to start our new lives. I am a icu nurse in the UK and will be doing the same in perth. We have visited twice, and were very happy with the people and places. Let me share some facts about the UK. The NHS is on its knees, the school system will shortly follow (teachers are striking this Thursday). The place is full of Chavs, swearing in the streets, they don't care that children are around. I read some research about the most discriminated people in the UK, they are white middle class male. That is one of the reason we are taking our children out of the UK. This is not the country I grew up in, even my in-laws are leaving as to quote them 'we don't want to grow old in this country'. I know there are reasons for you coming back to the UK, but don't think that it will be any better than Perth. At least in Perth there is sunshine.!!!!!
From Marshy

To borky2000

27 Jun 2011 8:07 PM
(110986)
Hey there Borky I love Perth and after 6 years I consider it home. However, don't think for one minute that the issues you so dislike in the UK aren't in existence here. You are right in saying that it isn't the UK all us 40+ people grew up in but Australia is no different in the problems it faces with crime, healthcare, schooling etc. With the increasing costs here and the crap exchange rate don't expect an easy ride. Expect a nice warm one come summer but if you are arriving in 7 weeks, make sure you pack your thermals and an umbrella.
From nijethorpe

To nijethorpe

27 Jun 2011 11:22 PM
(110987)
Hi All, Well reading the many comments I think while we will not necessarily agree on where to live, I think the discussion proves that nowhere is perfect, but it is the things personal to us that makes us choose where we lay our hats. I am under no illusion of the problems facing us in the UK, but like I did when coming here will be optimistic about our return. While I am no expert I believe economies are cyclic and in my personal case (one that is evidently not the case for some) we have the ability in the UK to enhance our lifestyle. One commentator said that it is the adventure that keeps us going and I couldn't agree more. Good luck to those moving back. For those that are staying I wish you all the best ( I would send a banana as a gift but it wouldnt get past AQIS) and for those coming out here from the UK, please give it your best shot when you arrive.
From nijethorpe

To nijethorpe

27 Jun 2011 11:34 PM
(110988)
Oh PS, Just to finish on something that is dear to my heart as I know it has been mentionned, after the few occasions we have used the medical system here I will never again berate the NHS. The staff in both vcountries cannto be faulted just the system they work under. Give me the NHS over a private health care system anyday, even with private medical insurance and sports insurance, we are looking at a $25K bill for my son, even his prescription meds to keep him pain free after his sporting accident have cost us over $200....(gasp we do have to pay for kids' scripts!). And yes if we were on the dole, or asylum seekers we would have got it for free........Dont think it is any different here Right Elvis is now finally leaving the building
From Marshy

To nijethorpe

28 Jun 2011 12:14 AM
(110989)
Why if it was an accident did you go private? I always thought that private was good for elective and extras but for emergency and accident then you go medicare. Obviously you would still have had to pay for scripts but the treatment would have been free.
From nijethorpe

To Marshy

28 Jun 2011 12:30 AM
(110990)
Hi Marshy, Unfortunately it was his teeth, so medicare wont cover, even the emergency dentist at Charlies is a private set up and unfortunately not affiliated to our private medical provider so they wont cough up. All in all a right pain in the harris (and for the poor lad pain in the gob) Right I am definitely leaving the building!
From Marshy

To nijethorpe

28 Jun 2011 12:31 AM
(110991)
I wasn't after an argument I was just wondering, all makes sense now.
From me2you

To borky2000

28 Jun 2011 7:44 AM
(110993)
i wonder what you think is so great of perth that is so different to the UK? chavs swearing in the streets - wait until you are walking into the shopping centre in joondalup on a thursday night - all the teenagers drinking, smoking and swearing - it really is no different. your in laws may not want to grow old in the uk - but if they leave and live somewhere else and then get ill, they may then want to get back to england to the nhs where they can afford to be treated. fair enough to want to live in aus because of what it offers - but if you think you are leaving behind the social problems of the UK, you will be very disappointed as they are just the same in aus.
From moirclan

To nijethorpe

28 Jun 2011 12:37 PM
(110998)
dont forget to put his medical bills against tax at least you will get 20% of it back ,
From Kennynat

To me2you

29 Jun 2011 4:38 AM
(111003)
I wonder if its because there are so many brits in Oz thats why they now seem to have such high crime and drug statistics as blighty! :)
From simonc

To Kennynat

29 Jun 2011 11:30 AM
(111005)
...and teenagers drinking, smoking and swearing in Joondalup? with a pommy contingent of about 80% up there, I wonder where they get their bad habits from?
From fairylights

To simonc

29 Jun 2011 8:32 PM
(111008)
Anyone ever thought it might be their parents..............Aussie & Kiwi probably the worst followed by British
From coopersrfive

To borky2000

02 Jul 2011 6:46 PM
(111061)
hi this is just a general comment on mr sunshine !!! on an even brighter note after a while the sunshine looses its shine when it 38 plus its hot to go out and at night too hot to sleep!!!!!! just a thought its all about the advantages and disadvantages that suit each family. no one country is better its just what suits at the time and this is fluid always moving !!!. enjoy me personally dread slathering the kids everyday in suncream before school and much prefer the warm winter!!!! and sand is just as annoying in the kids shoes as is mud maybe as humans we are never truly satisfied good luck fellow friends
From Kris+Rob

To nijethorpe

02 Jul 2011 9:30 PM
(111067)
I have a reminder how 'good' the NHS is: a scar from ear to ear after undergoing emegency brain surgery for an ailment that could've easily been cured with a course of anti biotics adminstered in time. I guess the budget was tight then. My son had a skin irregularity on his skull which the NHS refused to remove, since there was 'only a one-in-three chance of it turning cancerous'. Kris had a lucky escape from a bloodclot in her lung. The docter didn't recognize the symptoms, yet entering said symptoms into google brings up PE as the first result. Someone close presented at A&E with all the symptoms of a stroke, yet was not seen by a specialist because 'it's the holidays'. Now they've been diagnosed with MS, but won't be given the neccessary medications because 'it's too expensive and they have only had one episode'. Yet the next episode could be permanently disabling. A patient who was diagnosed with MS on Kris's ward had seen specialists, physios and been given medication options within a day. Yes, you have to pay towards your medical care, but at least things will get done in Oz.
From fairylights

To Kris+Rob

02 Jul 2011 10:08 PM
(111068)
I can assure you it's not all roses in the Aussie health system - especially if you don't have private health cover or money........
From Kris+Rob

To fairylights

03 Jul 2011 8:58 AM
(111071)
Probabaly true, but from personal experiences the NHS is lacking.
From JoandDeanHill

To Kris+Rob

03 Jul 2011 10:35 AM
(111072)
ok, i don't post on here much but i would like to offer my thoughts and experiences on this debate. My personal experiences with the NHS have been shocking. I have at least 3 close family members pass from cancer or other ailments and with each case the care they generally received was disgraceful, it was a daily battle of 'them' and 'us'. The guys on the front line just want to do their job but they are bound by targets and red tape. My mother works within the NHS and if i was still in the UK i would be very concerned about the state of the system. i have had a couple of stays in our local hospital as a public patient, and as we have kids we have frequented the a and e dept on more than one occasion and i must admit i found the care first class, staff helpful and accommodating, and they were all different nationalities, australian, south african, english. I dare say there are underlying problems in the health system here,but as a patient i felt confident in the care i received. Re the family ties- i can totally understand the tear of family back in uk. In the 3 years we have been here i have lost 2 very close family members and have taken trips back to say goodbye ( my own choice). I have felt first hand the utter dispair and heartbreak thousands of miles away from family and it rocks your world and of course you think omg have i done the right thing? but the answer has been yes. My children have their whole lives ahead of them and i have seen a change in them in every aspect of their lives- for the better. I work in a school here and did in UK- i see every day the hard work and dedication that my colleagues put into giving these kids the foundations for their education. Again, my opinion but i prefer the schooling in oz. I realise that, that is a whole other debate but there is more emphasis on developing the child personally even at an early age here and this i like that. Joondalup is shocking on a thursday night with groups of kids, but that is an everyday ocurance where we lived in uk. I knew it was time to go when i saw kids spitting and hurling abuse at passers by. i have not seen that here....yet. lol Re the expense. Yes, day to day it is expensive but if you want to live in a lovely place you've got to get on with it and make sacrifices. There are things i miss but hay ho. Perth isn't for everyone, and no one is failing by going back. The only thing that annoys me is when people live here but slate the place! and we have met some of them! Again, this is not a pop at anyone- this info is based on my experiences and opinions.
From Mindblower

To JoandDeanHill

03 Jul 2011 12:49 PM
(111073)
Good post that
From Marshy

To JoandDeanHill

03 Jul 2011 2:35 PM
(111075)
Great post Jo and I agree with every word.
From Jan311

To JoandDeanHill

04 Jul 2011 8:50 AM
(111078)
Excellent post, very well said...
From lew

To Jan311

04 Jul 2011 1:41 PM
(111079)
well yet another pulling australia down.what you dont seem to realise is why if england is so great why did you leave there in the first place.yes cost of living has gone up in perth but so has the uk.bogans on the street better than scum druggies every where like in the uk.wages you earn half what you did in uk then you will find it expensive.we earn a lot more in oz than we did in the uk and both earned good money in the uk.so depends what you do. we live in a aussie suburb very little hastle here perahaps you shouldnt of moved where 80 percent of the british moved if its that bad.future for the kids well there is a lot more future here for them.at least they can get a job when they leave school.could keep going on but whats the point,so stop pulling the place down because of your experiance there is a lot of people love it here we do.the only thing i can understand people going back to the uk is because of missing family.there is lots of things and oportunities here if you are willing to look for them.and for anyone making the move you are doing the right thing in my opinion .we have been here five years now and love it.this sight used to be full of help for new people coming out here now just seems to be full of moaning, putting people off.so if you dont like it here go home but just remember why you left the uk in the first place if it is soooooo good,and good look to all the new familys that are coming out here in the future.
From simonc

To lew

05 Jul 2011 3:03 PM
(111087)
Not really sure who your post is aimed at Lew. Looking at the thread opinions seem fairly balanced, with people simply sharing thoughts and opinions. Isnt this what a forum is about? Our experiences are governed individually by our how our minds work and deal with a situation. The fact that you are having a good time here does not mean that this is a benchmark that you can measure and judge everyone else by. It doesn't work like that. I was also on this site five years ago, the only difference I recall is that there were more people on here. Some people were having a fine old time, some people were struggling. That is what happens when people emigrate, for most it is a long hard journey. Also times now are a lot harder for new migrants, five years ago there was work everywhere and the you got a third more for your pound than what you get now. So if there is more of a negative slant on posts then it is a reflection of the times and it is appropriate that concerns are voiced so that people considering a move can have an idea what they are in for.
From simonc

To simonc

05 Jul 2011 7:53 PM
(111088)
Lews post has fallen off!?
From lew

To simonc

07 Jul 2011 11:13 PM
(111099)
i have taken the post of because if you cant understand wich thread it was aimed at with all the negatives about perth, whats the point.like i said what ever people think about it here whether they love it or hate it we all came here for the same reason to get away from england or where ever else we were from.
From simonc

To lew

07 Jul 2011 11:22 PM
(111100)
whatever.
From simonc

To lew

07 Jul 2011 11:32 PM
(111101)
How about those who came for the adventure, or those who came for work, safety, or for family. Or those who came from SA, India, or Scotland, Ireland or NZ? You really do have an incredibly closed mind.
From jimboman

To lew

07 Jul 2011 11:54 PM
(111102)
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From lew

To jimboman

08 Jul 2011 12:17 AM
(111104)
no most migrants came here to gain a better life for themselves and there familys.so surely they were trying to escape there old lives.anyway thanks for your time jimboman
From lew

To simonc

08 Jul 2011 12:24 AM
(111105)
couldnt give a monkeys what you think, you keep your blinkers on mate.
From cindy42

To lew

08 Jul 2011 1:10 AM
(111106)
Hi lew glad things have worked out for you and your family. What brought you to OZ? Were you escaping something from your old life or just seeking a better life? cindy x