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Question re independent school status       started by jillandsi on 16 Feb 2012   (23977)
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From jillandsi

16 Feb 2012 8:42 PM
(111892)
Hi everyone, I have the choice between sending my girls (yr 7 & 6) to either Woodvale or Carine SHS. They are both good schools, although Carine sits higher in the league tables. However Woodvale has got independent school status and Carine has not. Carine cannot re-apply and so will not gain status until all schools are changed over (don't know when that is going to be). My main question is. Do people think that Carine will suffer by not being independent. My thoughts are that, as the independent schools choose to employ their own choice of teachers (presumably the good ones), then the ones that are left will be the only ones available to the education authority to place at the likes of Carine. Do people think that the staff at Woodvale would be more motivated and excited by the changes and therefore the quality of the teaching may be better and vice-versa for Carine. I know a few people on here are in teaching and would be grateful for their thoughts on the subject. Many thanks Jillian
From Marshy

To jillandsi

16 Feb 2012 11:30 PM
(111893)
The 2 things that could impact on student learning are: An Independent Public School is able to select it's own staff, not have them placed by the DET. An Independent Public School has more control over it's budgets. Personally, and it is only my personal opinion, I would pick Carine over Woodvale. My daughter is 14 and she mixes with lots of kids from various schools and if I was to judge the kids from either school I would pick Carine. I emphasise it is my personal opinion though.
From simonc

To jillandsi

17 Feb 2012 10:14 AM
(111894)
I worked for the Dept. of Education for a while last year - there was an incredible amount of politics! I hadnt been in a school since I was at school and I had to visit a number of schools as part of the job some were not so good and some fantastic. I'm not sure if they let you take a look around, but that is what I would be trying to arrange. I would not choose an independent school based on its independent status, they may have more local control over the budget, but if the Principal is a muppet or has his own agenda (or usually a member of staff who has their ear -in the main the principals I dealt with were all pretty good - it was those under them with ambitions and agendas) then that is definitely not a good thing. At least the DoE take a more global view.
From Kieren

To jillandsi

17 Feb 2012 11:41 AM
(111895)
Through loose connections, we know of a teacher at Woodvale who refuses to send her own children there. Something for you to ponder on.....
From jillandsi

To Kieren

17 Feb 2012 12:48 PM
(111896)
Do you think it might be purely state vs private or that he/she doesn't want her ch at same school. Just wanted to check that it's to do with he school and not more general reasons. Assumed it was because of the school though. Many thanks Jillian
From jillandsi

To jillandsi

17 Feb 2012 12:50 PM
(111897)
Informative replies guys, thanks very much. Hopefully we'll get some more opinions in the next few days. We've looked round Carine twice over the last 3 years and are booked to look round Woodvale on 1st March, might have a clearer idea then. Many thanks Jillian
From Hel+Ger

To jillandsi

17 Feb 2012 12:58 PM
(111898)
My son is a year 11 student at Carine and enjoys it very much. All the kids appear to be well turned out and we have only good things to say about how the school operates. Personally I don't think the independent thing has much difference in the way you would actually see the school being run.
From Marshy

To simonc

17 Feb 2012 1:59 PM
(111899)
If you did a survey of Principals they would say the biggest advantage to IPS status is being able to select your own staff. My children's school had a teacher placed before they obtained IPS status. The Principal had no say whatsoever and the teacher was an absolute disaster. Children were withdrawn from the school and it damaged the reputation of the school in the short term.
From simonc

To Marshy

17 Feb 2012 5:04 PM
(111900)
Which is great so long as the Principal is a good one, which in my limited experience most were. Its a tricky one. Best do the research!
From Marshy

To simonc

17 Feb 2012 5:05 PM
(111901)
I agree.
From Mindblower

To Marshy

17 Feb 2012 7:42 PM
(111902)
My boy goes private, still no where near as good private UK school we left behind- worrying. A big report out soon on ozzy education, will show its shortcomings
From Marshy

To Mindblower

17 Feb 2012 9:47 PM
(111904)
I'm lucky I think, my children are getting a far superior education here than where I came from. I sometimes wonder if I live in a parallel Perth to others.
From kildrummy

To Marshy

18 Feb 2012 2:01 AM
(111905)
Would you know if the education of your kids was inferior?. That is my concern. They are happy, enjoy school and as far as i can tell are doing very well. The point is that i am not qualified to say and most likely would not be aware if the school was not up to scratch. Real problem is that the same issues would apply regardless of where i lived. I think that is why any and all supposed measures of schools performance are so popular with parents, regardless of how flawed or misleading they might be.
From Marshy

To kildrummy

18 Feb 2012 12:41 PM
(111910)
My children are happy too and doing very well. My youngest has a cousin the same age and my father told me when he came to visit that my daughter is far more advanced academically and socially than her cousin in the same year in the UK. The UK education system IMO is far too test driven and as a result a lot of children become disengaged and don't enjoy school. On a social level I find the schools here teach far more interpersonal skills than my daughters old school in the UK, she is far more confident as a result of that. I feel as a parent I am qualified to say how the 2 different systems impact my children and which is superior on that level for us. Plenty of Australian children go on to be doctors, lawyers etc and work overseas. I am sure if the Australian system was that inferior this wouldn't be occurring. I think a lot of British people see the differences as a bad thing, I see them as good for my children. Just my opinion of course.
From Norm+Yvonne

To Marshy

18 Feb 2012 5:17 PM
(111912)
Well said...couldn't agree more
From kildrummy

To Marshy

18 Feb 2012 5:24 PM
(111913)
Wouldnt disagree with anything you say and strongly beleive that you should always trust your instincts. Lets face it who knows your own children better than you. My kids never attended school in UK so i have nothing to compare. That said i have no real worries about how they are getting on. Apart from the odd doubt we all suffer from time to time. I keep reminding myself that i am trying to raise well balanced happy kids and academic acheivement does not guarentee either of those things.
From jillandsi

To kildrummy

20 Feb 2012 5:55 PM
(111916)
Thanks for all the replies guys. Anybody else got an opinion on the subject of independent versus non-independent schools. Many thanks Jillian
From irish

To simonc

29 Mar 2012 7:13 AM
(111975)
HI simonc I have just read your message and wondered if you could answer my questions about visas and other things to do with the department of education? My husband and i have a possible chance of moving to Perth with our son and daughter they are 10 and 13 years old. The visa would be a sponsorship visa, are there more fees involved for schools with that type of visa? Also my daughter suffers with dyslexia and recieves 20 hours per week one on one help from the education board, do you know if the state schools provide similar help with dyslexic children? Thanks Irish
From simonc

To irish

29 Mar 2012 12:21 PM
(111976)
Hi Irish, Sorry, that was not my area, I was working in IT for 6 months so I dont know. Simon
From Marshy

To irish

29 Mar 2012 1:28 PM
(111977)
Only fees you pay state schools are voluntary contributions, at primary level it is usually around $50 per child. They have the same thing at high school but sure of the fees. As for 1 on 1 help at high school then that would be a no unfortunately.