15 Nov 2004 9:45 PM
|We are in the process of migrating to Oz and would be grateful for some advise concerning our vehicles.
We are likely to land middle of 2005.
I would be very grateful if you can provide some general information on whether it would prove to be worth it to import our 4 X 4 Pathfinder from Qatar in the Middle East to QLD.
The model is XE/MT 3300c/c Year 2001.
The vehicle is a left hand drive and I'd assume that this would require to be reversed.
There may be other specifications modification's which I'm not aware of to make it compatible.
If we sold this in Qatar we would get the equivalent of about A$18.5K.Looking at the Red book it suggests that it would cost us around A$36 TO A$40K for the same if we bought this in Australia.
Likewise, in addition we have a right hand drive Hyundai Accent 1341c/c LS 5 door saloon Year 1998 which we are also proposing to ship over to Oz, but this time from the UK.
Again if we sold this in UK we would bearly get A$2.5K for it despite the fact that it's only done 20k km!Looking at the Red book it suggests that it would cost us around A$8.0K for the same if we bought this in Australia.
I have approved the government and customs web site - but it does not provide simple up front practical assistance I'm seeking.
Thanks in advance.
15 Nov 2004 11:02 PM
Look into this site and work the calculations to see if the it is worth taking the car to Oz.
However, I have written a little calculation(excel) using my previous understandings of how the importations work, and this is what I've got for the 4 x 4, and pls. take it as face value only and MUST NOT be use for your final decision. Here it goes, base on about A$37,000:-
Car import to Oz post - 02-Mar-1998
Cost of car |
16 Nov 2004 8:20 AM
|Many thanks Liam for your help which we really appreciate.
Couldn't access the web site you quoted as it wouldn't let us get in - but looking at the gist of your note implies that it would cost us around $15,600 just to get the Pathfinder into Australia from Qatar and since we'd get a around $18,000 for the car here if we sold it those equates to the value of the car if I bought it 2nd hand in Oz. So in other words it would not really be worth the aggro.
Would the same apply to my wifes Hyundai which in the UK - if we sold it there we'd get virtually bugger all - but in OZ its value as mentioned would be around $7.5k. We can get this sent over in our container easily which will contain all our other personal items. So the cost in shipping in many ways can be discounted. Setimental value definately applies here!!!
Many thanks again Liam.
After all this I will ask you about Perth vs Brisbane... but I'll save that till later!!!!!!
PS What a great web site I've stumbled upon here by the way>for |
16 Nov 2004 11:21 PM
Is this Hyundai in your ownership before or after 02-Mar-1998? It is important cos you do get a discount before that date.
17 Nov 2004 1:44 AM
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.
Well esquire, after that you will have a set period ie grace period to return and settle in Oz(where? depends on the visa type). Most people get a 5 years period from the day the medical/blah or blah was sent. When I've got the visa last years, I was given 4 years to return to Oz so the clock was ticking a year or so before I've got the visa. So.. to date, my time to return to Oz is about 2.5 years from Jan 05.
Well done to have gone for the PR visa, they are much more flexi than the business types. So you will get the 13X type of ticket to Oz.. probably the best.
Housewise, phew(heart rate going up whilst typing) don't know? If your house doesn't sell and if you also needed the 100k for an extra 5 points then(straight talk) you're stuck. The best way is to have the money, failing that, most people raise the necessary fund by remortgaging the bricks and mortar. It's not as bad as it sounds cos' you'll be handcuffed for a year(as far as I know) on the investments of the fund. By then you'll either, would have sold the house or regained the invested fund. Either way, the punters get their monies back.
When you do decide to migrate, the house(like us) will become the fund for the project. Or if you still can't sell by then, there is little choice but to rent the house out, use the rent as mortgage payment and use the remortgaged fund for the project. The cons are all the trappings of taxations on the capital gain/loss on the house. Word of warning, Ozzy taxes are as clear as MUD and the monies gained on your house maybe taxable as income tax. So do see an expert on that!!
But, if you're like me, the fact that all the monies in the world isn't buying the quality of life you wanted, then everything goes including the necessary trapping of governmental red-tapes... tax or no tax!!
Still matey... good luck to you in your endeavour to get out to sample another life...
17 Nov 2004 5:47 AM
Fraid that it was purchased in December and not before the March date.
Does that mean that the Customs Authority will class the vehicle as brand newish despite it only being worth about GBP 1.5K now!!!!
We bought the thing for GBP8.5K? That would be a bot harsh if they taxed us on the full value methinks.
17 Nov 2004 7:51 AM
Give me your email, I'll sent you the guidance on the importation rule by the Oz custom. It's clear as MUD as per logic on the taxes levied on cars.
However do try the above site again. It's a PDF file.
17 Nov 2004 3:27 PM
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17 Nov 2004 7:15 PM
Hey man you're talking now... Looks like you'll be getting the second best ticket to OZ and the visa type is either 138(points tested) or 139(not point tested). To qualify for non-points testing(139) the sponsor must live in a designated area and looking good for you since missus' unc is in a regional location. The thing to do is to make sure that this is the case so.... good luck.
We are on a 139 and the option for you is that it can be fast-track, front loading if you want and should take between 6 to 12 months max.
Well, no need to repeat the dog-house position as most of us 'A/movers' feel vunerable, when the proceed of the sale of our house becomes the funding for the move. You know like hell-spell I'm going to be homeless and yet feeling anxoius about NOT selling out YET!! I can write a thesis on this one day...loll
On the other hand, genuine questions like what if I can't make it, having given up everything here in Blighty. I, too, earns a good crust here in IT with the government but then the magnetic aural of Perth is pulling me sideway akin to the daily tide!! Then again, other questions like how would I know if I don't try and 20, maybe 30 years down the line we may then die wondering what might it have been?
A bit like the doctor that MOTed us for our meds. He said much the same that in the 60s and again in the 70s, he wanted to unplug UK and revamp in OZ... but never did it!! In the discussions, he sincerely told me to have a go and not to rewrite the story he was telling us.
Still, gathering the messages you've posted so far I feel you're ready, gungho for this so good luck me ol' esquire.. Word of warning, the road to Perth is long, winding, emotional and treacherous so take good care of your family.
The house is in tip-topish conditions but the punters are shakey due to the interest rate uncertainties.. but I cool, just want to get out of this hole or whole situation of limboland.
18 Nov 2004 9:57 PM
Sorry matey, 13X is a generic way of describing 136, 137 138 and 139 types of PR visas. Should have made myself clear on the abbreviations, synonyms and slangs we coin in A/move language.
We went to Melbourne where aunty is, actually that's where all our rellies are, then but some have recently dispersed to Wollonggong, south of Sydney. We validated our visa there, pretty straight forward, walk the 'migrant's mile' ie plane to immi. desk, queued up, show our passport(with the visa in it), big smiles(the kids smiled better) at the immi. bloke and bingo, we were in.
Not many unusual questions and sorry can't remember them either BUT the custom was a story.. blooming sniffer hounds....the lot; lock, stock and sniffer dogs!! The kiddies found it funny cos' they love dogs and so do I, when one leapt up at my top pocket areas and started sniffing we laughed. The custom lady promptly pulled me to the side and gave me the search, you know hands up legs down thingy(Corr, enjoyed that!!....;0)..lolll. It transpired that there were residual smell of cranberry we took from the UK and ate on the plane!! So the moral is Pete, if we want to enjoy the whole migrant experience, stick cranberries in your pocket....;0P''''
Rekkie, mate.. how can I make sense of this? If you're darn sure about Oz, then go for it(NO rekkkie). Then again if your bosswoman(and kids) is in two minds about Oz then the rekkie thing may prove practical cos' the bottomline is, a collective family decision. The more they are on your side the better this project will settle wholistically and if there are 'bridges to cross' then the family will bind together and get over the hard and difficult times and in years to come you'll probably look back and say 'hey that wasn't difficult, it was all water under the bridge'!!
We chose the rekkie thing last year cos there was a split decision. We went around in a camper van from Melb. to Canberra and settle in Sydney for 3 days using the Stuart Highway. On our return journey, we use the Princes Highway(eastern coastal windy A-roads) but that was great, the kids loved the trip and it settle them even more on the moving front so the rekkie gave them a sense of prospect, touch, taste and smell of Oz. They returned a yes verdict a couple of months after the trip.
Perth is a different thing in fact, a different world, we nearly didn't go cos the flight was pricey from Melb. It would have been a fatal mistake for us if we had chosen not to visit Perth. We loved the rekkie so much that we want to live there!! There are so many things that money can't buy in Perth, from the culture/lifestyle to the sceneries. The kids didn't come with us but took our words for it.. so the decisions now is to give Perth a try cos we stand a better chance there.
Envy from friends/families can sometimes serve as a positive pointer to our own judgements/decisions, it signifys that 'some wants but don't dare' and 'some dare but can't decide'. In my mind, and imho as per Del boy... 'He who dares win' but in the category of ordinary people doing extraordinary things and for those who try methinks they are ordinary heroes.... hence I'm very interested in wanting to know people in this A/move site. And yes hip, hip horray to Geoff and team for hosting us here...
Keep going esquire, don't look back and see you in Oz, hopefully..
Ps. Keep shouting if you want help, some good souls here will help...|
18 Nov 2004 10:22 PM
I've tried sending the PDF file to your email but was rejected. Is this email correct and do you have another email so that I can send this to both for you.
18 Nov 2004 11:10 PM
I have by the way today I finally got a response from the Customs Representative in Oz who advised that despite our car just being bought after the 2 March 1998 period, that the custom value will be based on the equivalent market price of the same vehicle type in Australia upon arrival and NOT the original purchase cost (thank god...!).
19 Nov 2004 2:02 AM
Sent the PDF file to your new email.
Based on your original thought of about AUD$8k on your Hyundai, the ball park figure is as below:-
Car import to Oz post - 02-Mar-1998
Cost of car |
19 Nov 2004 10:25 AM
You're right, they're an awesome bunch of folk on this site. That's why, nearly two years after discovering the site and nearly 15 months after arriving in Perth, I'm still 'hooked'! It's not about just making it over to Oz, it's about making friends for the moral support at the other end. We have a great network of A-movers and it makes a huge difference in our lives.
Have to go now - yes, you guessed, I've got Aussiemovers coming round again this morning!
Carmel (really 'hot babe' - well, will be this weekend when the temp hits 35...)
19 Nov 2004 11:05 PM
|Many thanks for your help Liam.
20 Nov 2004 2:54 AM
I'm not sure if you got my message of thanks on 16th Nov for the pastural call to MissusB. She was very happy to have spoken to you... lifted her dwindling spirit up a bit!!
How's things and what this 'hot babe' stuff(lolll), can't help not noticing this new Carmel thingy or have I been missing the latest gossip whilst residing in my sunken hole!!
Business, family etc hope all goes well and young Mike, pls send him my regards...
Lots of CGH from the TLCs in blighty..
20 Nov 2004 3:06 AM
|Hi, UK No. 1 and Missus Boss W,
Yes, of course I read your message - no prob phoning you to provide some TLC from Down Under - anytime... it's what I do... I'm always phoning loads of people over there who're just dying to make it out here!
Mrs Boss W at least sounds positive and determined these days. I just wish you had the property market and the exchange rate more on your side, but who knows what'll happen in the New Year? If you're anything like we were, you'll be just glad to get a half decent offer and get the heck out of there.
My friend in Jersey struggled to sell, too, but she's finally made it and arrived yesterday in Perth. YOUR TURN NEXT!
Mike's fine and sends huggies and humms and the kids are having the time of their lives now the beach weather is returning.
I just pray every day for a sale for you, Liam. It only takes ONE person...
Anyway, the kids' social lives dictate that I must now go to bed or I'll be in no fit state to cook for them or chauffeur them around tomorrow.
Have a good weekend - and think of us all here, lapping up the sun!
L & K,
Carmel, Mike and boys XX