15 Apr 2006 3:51 PM
|I have noticed from moving here from Brisbane (5 yrs from now) that the uniform in public schools is not up to scratch or it differers. Why is this? Why cant public schools have the blazers, ties, black shoes and all the rest that students should have? They look much neeter and presentable! I knew that Queensland is very strict on uniform why not WA?|
15 Apr 2006 6:48 PM
|Here in Victoria our school has blazers, open neck shirts, long shorts and long socks in Summer and trousers with shirt and tie in Winter.
Girls do not wear ties (not sure why since my 8 year old is so good at tying one after her RC school in UK). In Summer girls wear the obligatory zip up dress with long white socks. All very attractive!
Junior students wear the same as senior, with the exception of blazers. They wear a sports jacket instead. But no, not a UK sports jacket, this is a navy blue polyester job that they wear on the sports field as well. More your shell suit type of stuff!
The kids all wear the socks pulled up to the knees (with shorts or dress) and boys even at the age of 18 / 19 do not seem to find this odd. My older daughter still in UK says they are all losers. It was very strange to us to start with and looked really odd, but we have got used to it and I think it's rather sweet. My own boys also followed the rules when they were at the same school.
Perhaps you should try a different state........
17 Apr 2006 8:37 PM
|Firstly...are you talking UK public or Oz public. As it has a different meaning in both. If you mean UK public...ie- private schooling,then they do enforce uniforms.
If you mean Oz public...ie-state school then see below.
Because you cannot enforce something in a system where many people cannot afford it. It is encouraged but is not legally enforcable. The idea of state schooling is that it provides for everyone regardless of socio-economic status or beliefs. Therefore you cannot enforce uniform wearing.
Having said that,My school encourages uniforms and the majority always have uniforms on. In fact I cannot think of any student who doesnot wear school uniform.But then it's in a high socio-economic area. Others I have taught at do not enforce it at all but encourage any clothing in the school colours.
17 Apr 2006 9:16 PM
|they don't all wear the same as the students in Brisbane because YOU AREN'T IN BLOODY BRISBANE!|
18 Apr 2006 1:59 AM
|'Here in Victoria our school has blazers, open neck shirts, long shorts and long socks in Summer and trousers with shirt and tie in Winter.'
To be fair though, Victorian schoolkids have to dress to cope with 4 seasons in one day.
'Perhaps you should try a different state........'
Surely you're not suggesting that Tardistan is an option? :)|
21 Apr 2006 6:29 PM
|may i ask what school this is?|
21 Apr 2006 6:42 PM
'Why cant public schools have the blazers, ties, black shoes and all the rest that students should have? They look much neater and presentable!'
Now that really is a matter of opinion! My answer would be because if they did wear them, they'd ALL look like nonces!!
Personally (and from experience in the UK), all uniforms do is let kids from other schools know which ones to beat up in a fight.
I'm against school uniforms to be honest, and think people (and kids) can look just as smart without all the pomp and ceremony that uniforms seem to dictate. I work in a professional office and very rarely (if ever) wear shirt and tie. I'm a jeans, trainers and t-shirt kind-a-bloke, and very often look a lot smarter than those who 'dress up' to come to work - with their shoddy shoes, old worn shirt un-tucked, etc.
I remember when I was at school and asked why we had uniforms, to be told that it prepares us for a presentable more grown up dress code for later in life(!). Hahahaha - didnt work for me!!
21 Apr 2006 7:06 PM
|I went to a school that didn't have a uniform as such but we were encouraged to wear the school colours, nobody ever did ..............and thinking back, what a bunch of scruffy 'erberts we were. All in various t-shirts, trousers etc of all shades/variations of colours and patterns.
At the time i would have hated a uniform but my mum was all in favour of one and now i can see why.
She couldn't afford to keep decking me out in the latest fashions and although i wasn't bullied, a few were who were not wearing the 'in' thing or even worse, anything resembling a uniform. Had we been made to conform and all adopt the same identity, would these problems have been lessened? I don't know.
It is rather sweet to see the younger kids over here in their uniforms and sun hats and there seems to be a bit more pride in their schools than when i was being educated ..... all those years ago!!!
21 Apr 2006 8:07 PM
|I have to agree with you Carol, sorry to be disagreeing with Kieren since I'm his Mum. I've always felt that school uniforms promote a pride in the school. When parents have to buy clothes for their children it's much more economical to purchase uniforms than 'designer'clothes which can cause the less well off child to be victimised. Having a uniform can be a great 'leveller'.|
21 Apr 2006 9:57 PM
Although this message is not posted to me, I do find your mail offensive. Well, to be honest not offensive but irritating. You seem to find amusement in all sorts of things. I don't always see where you find that amusement. But I am willing to admit that might be a problem on my side.
My response to the original mail was to describe the uniform in the private school my child attends in Victoria. Gary's response was quite amusing. He is quite correct in pointing out that we do indeed have all 4 seasons here in Victoria and need to dress to suit them all, even with his 'amusing' comment.
You however, seem to find everything funny and take the piss out of it for no obvious reason. I'm not sure how old you are, but my teenage kids seem to behave more maturely.
Although we are a minority, there are some of us on in this aussiemove group who live in other states and are quite happy to do so. There is little recognition for us as being members outside of Perth. But let me tell you that I do not like your response and I find it rude and belittling.
We are all in this together. Some of us more that others, regardless of where we live in Australia. Then there are others who think they live in godalmighty perth and can take the piss out of the rest of us.
I for one am fed up with it and if I can find the time am inclined to set up a website that is more inclined to be inclusive rather than exclusive.
21 Apr 2006 10:16 PM
|It's interestin that this message has been on line for about 10 to 15 ninutes andhas been viewed 15 times with 5 ticks. What are peole ticking. I would be really interested to know, please send me a personal message if you don't want to go public!
22 Apr 2006 1:36 AM
|Interesting point about bullying.
I went to a private shool that had a uniform, part of which was a povvie little cap like thing. Well.. we soon discovered that if you nibble the little bobble thing on top of the cap a large enough spike could be exposed. Hold the cap by the brim and it made a WONDERFUL weapon when the snots came round to beat us up because of our uniforms.
Heh hehe heh. Remarkable thing memory isn't it. Thanks for bringing that back up folks.
22 Apr 2006 11:17 AM
Do your self a favour and get a life!
You're right, the post was not inteded for you, it was for Gary - a very good friend of mine who would have seen the funny side to it.
As far as piss taking, I suggest you are far too sensitive.
Regarding ticks - couldn't really care.
Yes I do find amusement in all sorts of things - its what keeps me going and stops me turning into some sour faced miserable git.
You live where you choose to live. I couldnt give a monkeys. You want to live over East - nothing to do with me, have a great life. What do you mean 'there is little recognition for those outside of Perth'? Says who? There are tonnes of posts on here for people over East. I just choose to come to Perth because I was borm here.
Seriously, you need to chill out. Calm down a bit.
If you wanna continue to have a pop - go ahead. Just remember that I have a my own views on school uniforms and many other things (even if I don't agree with my Mom - thanks Mom!!), if you choose to disagree, then thats your choice.
Just to keep YOU happy - no-one else - I have removed the 'offending' post.
22 Apr 2006 11:41 AM
|Not sure what people are ticking to be honest. I wouldn't tick such a blown out of proportion post!
I thought it was a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction to a throw away comment. If you haven't yet worked out that there is a friendly rivalry among Aussie states then you need to open your eyes.
22 Apr 2006 12:27 PM
|This s VERY VERY FUNNY!
Since I deleted the 'offending' post there have been another 10 ticks on 'miserable Maggies' post, refering to my post, and its not even there anymore!!!
So people are now ticking for something they know nothing about and have probably not even read!!
This is part of my reason for my 'Had Enough' post....